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Old 12-26-2007, 10:04 AM   #121
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The Libertarians aren't very realistic. We need police departments, government employees, etc, etc. They're pretty cool on the social issues but we've got to have some government.
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:22 PM   #122
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They're pretty cool on the social issues but we've got to have some government.
But that's the problem with many American libertarians. They're not cool on the social issues. They are pretty much isolationist, anarcho-capitalist social conservatives. Hence, we have the term, "paleolibertarian."
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I remember credit card interest was deductible.
Imagine if that was deductible today?

frightening thought.
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I'd say, at this distance, killing off the income tax in toto, putting up the 'for sale' sign on the IRS or whatever other thing, would not merely remove the ability of the USA to act as a global power, it would make the US unable to even function as a mere nation, comparable to Britain, or Canada, or Australia.

It's nutty and it's not going to happen, even if Ron Paul says so and even if he were elected.

What is going to happen, if it happens, will not be driven from within by any president or congress. It will be dictated by foreign creditors.
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Old 12-27-2007, 05:36 PM   #125
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A post in The Medium blog that appeared on Monday about the Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul and his purported adoption by white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups contained several errors. Stormfront, which describes itself as a “white nationalist” Internet community, did not give money to Ron Paul’s presidential campaign; according to Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Paul’s campaign, it was Don Black, the founder of Stormfront, who donated $500 to Paul. The original post also repeated a string of assertions by Bill White, the commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, including the allegation that Paul meets regularly “with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review and others” at a restaurant in Arlington, Va. Paul never attended these dinners, according to Benton, who also says that Paul has never knowingly met Bill White. Norman Singleton, a congressional aide in Paul’s office, says that he met Bill White at a dinner gathering of conservatives several years ago, after which Singleton expressed his indignation at the views espoused by White to the organizer of the dinner. The original post should not have been published with these unverified assertions and without any response from Paul.
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Oh man. As much as I dislike Paul, even I would defend him in this situation.
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I just read in an email that Ron Paul has been endorsed by a former Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon who ran for mayor here in 1979. He shouldn't have accepted the endorsement.
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The Libertarians aren't very realistic. We need police departments, government employees, etc, etc. They're pretty cool on the social issues but we've got to have some government.
Minarchism is distinct from anarchism.
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Old 12-29-2007, 02:15 PM   #129
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I just read in an email that Ron Paul has been endorsed by a former Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon who ran for mayor here in 1979. He shouldn't have accepted the endorsement.
In an interview he was asked about this about why he accepted money from this guy. Ron Paul first said that he gets thousands and thousands of donors every week and it would be impossible to screen each and every one to see what their backgrounds are. So then he was asked that now knowing that this guy donated to Paul, will Paul return the money? And Ron Paul said absolutely not because the money will be used for the Ron Paul Campaign purposes and not for any Ku Klux Klan purposes. So why return the money to someone who might use it for some racist purposes? He went on to say that any money he gets will be used for his own campaign message and campaign purposes and will only support his own campaign views and not the views of the donor.
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I think Ron Paul missed the point there.
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In an interview he was asked about this about why he accepted money from this guy. Ron Paul first said that he gets thousands and thousands of donors every week and it would be impossible to screen each and every one to see what their backgrounds are. So then he was asked that now knowing that this guy donated to Paul, will Paul return the money? And Ron Paul said absolutely not because the money will be used for the Ron Paul Campaign purposes and not for any Ku Klux Klan purposes. So why return the money to someone who might use it for some racist purposes? He went on to say that any money he gets will be used for his own campaign message and campaign purposes and will only support his own campaign views and not the views of the donor.
Couldn't he have solved the whole dilemma by burning the money donated by the Klan guy? That way the Klan doesn't get it back and he isn't taking money from the Klan.
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Couldn't he have solved the whole dilemma by burning the money donated by the Klan guy? That way the Klan doesn't get it back and he isn't taking money from the Klan.
But for Ron Paul, the money is being used for Ron Paul purposes. It doesn't benefit the Klan. Ron Paul isn't going to support the Klan because of the money. So whats wrong with spending that money on his campaign? It would be a different story if he is taking the money in exchange for public suppport, etc. for the Klan. But he is using the money just like he is using anybody else's money, so whats the difference?
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I would love to here all the people who criticized Hilary Clinton's donation controversy (which ended with her giving the money back, I might add) try to defend Ron Paul here.
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I would love to here all the people who criticized Hilary Clinton's donation controversy (which ended with her giving the money back, I might add) try to defend Ron Paul here.
Ron Paul isn't an uppity woman, so the defense shouldn't be too difficult for the faction you are thinking of.
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Old 12-30-2007, 02:30 AM   #135
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But for Ron Paul, the money is being used for Ron Paul purposes. It doesn't benefit the Klan. Ron Paul isn't going to support the Klan because of the money. So whats wrong with spending that money on his campaign? It would be a different story if he is taking the money in exchange for public suppport, etc. for the Klan. But he is using the money just like he is using anybody else's money, so whats the difference?
So in other words getting more money for his campaign is more important than where the money comes from? Even if it is from an organization that is villified by pretty much anyone with a shred of human decency? Just the fact that someone from the Klan wanted to donate money to his campaign in the first place raises tons of red flags. You would think strictly from a PR standpoint he might want to consider making a nice little public bonfire out of the donation, just so he can distance himself as much as humanly possible from the Klan.
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