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Old 12-23-2007, 12:07 PM   #91
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Why are you so pessimistic about this?
Not pessimistic, realistic.


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Even if he cannot elminate the income tax, I have full faith that he will cut taxes as much as possible.
This is a much more realistic approach to Ron Paul.
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Old 12-23-2007, 03:39 PM   #92
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What kind of spending cuts has Paul proposed?
War in Iraq, nation building in Afghanistan, foreign aid to Pakistan, closing many military bases around the world, department of energy, department of homeland security, department of education, the IRS and more.
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Old 12-23-2007, 03:43 PM   #93
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Not pessimistic, realistic.

I still don't see why it is unrealistic to get rid of the income tax if we cut enough spending, but that is your position and I disagree.
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War in Iraq, nation building in Afghanistan, foreign aid to Pakistan, closing many military bases around the world, department of energy, department of homeland security, department of education, the IRS and more.
Anything more specific? For example, what parts of the Dept. of Energy get cut?
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I am, however, interested in the possibility of a "flat, graduated" income tax, where the tax rates are set at lower across the board, but with no exemptions. That is, just to throw a number around that's not based on anything researched, the upper income tax rate would be lowered from 35% to 28%, the lowest income tax rate would be lowered from 8% to 5%, etc. but with no deductions allowed. At the very least, I think it would be worth studying.
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Anything more specific? For example, what parts of the Dept. of Energy get cut?
I don't have any specifics but if I come accross a speech or article in which he states specifics I will post it here.
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I am, however, interested in the possibility of a "flat, graduated" income tax, where the tax rates are set at lower across the board, but with no exemptions. That is, just to throw a number around that's not based on anything researched, the upper income tax rate would be lowered from 35% to 28%, the lowest income tax rate would be lowered from 8% to 5%, etc. but with no deductions allowed. At the very least, I think it would be worth studying.
That is not bad. Although 0% income tax for all would be much better if we cut enough spending.
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I am, however, interested in the possibility of a "flat, graduated" income tax, where the tax rates are set at lower across the board, but with no exemptions. That is, just to throw a number around that's not based on anything researched, the upper income tax rate would be lowered from 35% to 28%, the lowest income tax rate would be lowered from 8% to 5%, etc. but with no deductions allowed. At the very least, I think it would be worth studying.
What exactly do you mean, no deductions?
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That is not bad. Although 0% income tax for all would be much better if we cut enough spending.
And the income for the running of the government and the country comes from sales taxes, right?
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And the income for the running of the government and the country comes from sales taxes, right?
It doesn't seem like you have been reading my posts.

RON PAUL DOES NOT WANT TO REPLACE THE INCOME TAX. HE WANTS TO PAY FOR THE ELIMINATION OF THE INCOME TAX BY CUTTING HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF SPENDING. HE WILL NOT, HOWEVER, GET RID OF THE INCOME TAX WITHOUT CUTTING ENOUGH SPENDING. HE HAS NEVER VOTED FOR AN UNBALANCED BUDGET AND WILL NOT CARELESSLY CUT TAXES WHILE NOT CUTTING SPENDING.
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THEN HOW THE FUCK ARE THE ROADS GOING TO BE PAVED AND GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES GOING TO BE PAID?
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THE INCOME TAX IS NOT THE ONLY FUCKIN SOURCE OF TAX REVENUE.
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THE INCOME TAX IS NOT THE ONLY FUCKIN SOURCE OF TAX REVENUE.
What are the others? Do they provide enough income to effectively run a federal government? Even with the cuts in spending?
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What are the others? Do they provide enough income to effectively run a federal government? Even with the cuts in spending?
Federal income tax, capital gains tax, etc. According to Ron Paul we would be able to effectively run the government with enough cuts in spending. Without the income tax in 2006 we would have the same revenue as in 2000. So we would have to cut enough spending and discount for inflation in order to have the same budget as the year 2000. I sincerely believe we can live off of the budget of the year 2000.
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http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-..._ron_paul.html

You know, I've been looking for a practical workplan for Ron Paul's position and haven't been able to find one. He's a little short on details. I'm not overly fond of candidates short on details. It usually has a way of getting us into trouble. Now I'd be happy to look at a comprehensive plan. I don't think he has one. Makes a pretty sound bite though, I guess.
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