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Old 01-16-2008, 12:10 PM   #436
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the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God
Well, that's not factual, otherwise...
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Well, that's not factual, otherwise...


could you show me where it says "God."

i seen intentionally vague references to a "creator" but nothing so specific as to name the Judeo-Christian God.
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Old 01-16-2008, 01:54 PM   #438
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could you show me where it says "God."

i seen intentionally vague references to a "creator" but nothing so specific as to name the Judeo-Christian God.
Please reread my post.
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Please reread my post.


darn it. read too quickly.

fair enough.
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Ron Paul, Dr. No-body, beats Rudy and Fred -- again
Well, he's hanging in there. Not only that, but Rep. Ron Paul thumped two reputed Republican heavyweights in the Michigan primary -- former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

Who'd have predicted that a couple of months ago?

Giuliani, you may recall if you can remember anything as distant as last summer, was the longtime GOP national front-runner in polls. He ran strongly against everybody in his party, even former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who won one last night, taking his home state from Sen. John McCain, who won there in 2000. Everybody wondered if anyone had a chance against the hero of 9/11, who defied standard Republican theocracy with his liberal social views.

But guess what? Ron Paul, the 72-year-old Texas congressman and ob-gyn who delivers babies and a strict view of the Constitution, beat Giuliani in Michigan. And beat him good. Not only that ...

he doubled Giuliani's totals of 24,000 votes, or 2.8%, getting more than 52,000 votes, or 6.3%, of the total Republican ballots.

Paul even beat Thompson this time, the real consistent conservative who was supposed to be the next Ronald Reagan until he actually announced his campaign in September. Thompson got about 31,000 votes, or 3.7%, which is more than Rudy but still less than the nobody congressman with the libertarian views whom few people but his passionate partisans took seriously months ago. He's often called Dr. No for his consistent congressional votes against spending.

Paul was so written off that Fox News banned him from its recent debate in New Hampshire. Oops, now the Paulunteers are organizing a boycott of Fox sponsors in return for the snub, a move that Dennis Kucinich's fans are now calling for against MSNBC for barring him from Tuesday's Democratic debate in Las Vegas.

True, Romney killed all his Republican competitors in Michigan, as he had to, with more than 326,000 votes, nearly 39%, with McCain trailing at 29.7%, or 248,000. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee garnered less than half of Romney's votes, 135,000, or 16%.

And it's also true that Thompson and Giuliani didn't really campaign seriously in Michigan. Or New Hampshire. Or Iowa except for a last-minute Thompson bus tour. Obviously, both Giuliani and Thompson are intentionally laying back, trying to make the rest of the Republican field overconfident. No doubt.

Paul hasn't won anything yet, either, except the continued devotion of his followers and growing national attention, including two national TV appearances on "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno" plus a full hour on "Meet the Press." On Tuesday, Richard Viguerie, the noted conservative author, announced he's launching a website to support Paul. Viguerie called Paul "truly a principled conservative in the grand tradition of Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan."

Paul just keeps picking up his 6% to 10% each time there's a vote. But Paul also beat Giuliani in Iowa. And he came pretty close to Giuliani in New Hampshire and did, in fact, beat Thompson there. And now in Michigan, Paul beat them both rather handily. He does it by going against virtually all the views of his GOP colleagues, including opposing the Iraq war.

Fueled by the generous donations of Paul believers, the congressman was probably the most successful GOP fundraiser in the fourth quarter, acquiring nearly $20 million then and, according to his website, more than $834,000 more so far this month. He's already launched an eight-state ad blitz and has been campaigning in recent days in South Carolina, where he has three offices and will return later this week, and across Nevada. He got skunked in Wyoming, where Romney won, but imagine if Paul scored big one day in the wild West, where many people believe government got too big about 100 years ago.

Paul's website and new campaign blog claim to have quietly organized more than 7,800 precinct captains around the country. Meantime, Giuliani's top staff is going unpaid this month to save dwindling funds. Is there a pattern here?

So, while the "front-running" Republicans each win one state and no one builds up a head of steam, Paul just keeps hanging around, like a bad cold. Some of the other Republican candidates should be careful, lest they get the sniffles one of these days.

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It's been a while since I've seen "front-running" and Giuliani or Thompson in the same sentence.

Yeah, Paul's making a little noise, but those two haven't been in it for a while.

If he begins competing with the three top candidates, then I'll give Paul more credit.
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Is Ron Paul Electable?
That is the question that Carl Cameron asked Ron Paul in last Thursday's Fox News debate in South Carolina.

How did Ron Paul respond?

Well, you wouldn’t be able to find his answer if you watched the rebroadcast of the debate, because Fox News cut Dr. Paul’s response!

But don’t worry… Thanks to the wonders of YouTube, you can see Ron Paul respond here.

And for what it's worth, the charge that Ron Paul is somehow unelectable in the Republican party sounds awfully similar to the charges levied against Ronald Reagan in 1980. As this Time Magazine article shows, another Republican -- Gerald Ford -- branded Ronald Reagan as "unelectable" as late as March of 1980.

Read more about Fox News' censorship in Daniel McCarthy's post on the Daily Dose Blog.


http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_p...-paul-ele.html



This has gone too far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope Ron sues their ass!!!!!! RUPERT MURDOCH SHOULD FUCKIN JUMP OF A BRIDGE!
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Is Ron Paul Electable?
That is the question that Carl Cameron asked Ron Paul in last Thursday's Fox News debate in South Carolina.

How did Ron Paul respond?

Well, you wouldn’t be able to find his answer if you watched the rebroadcast of the debate, because Fox News cut Dr. Paul’s response!

But don’t worry… Thanks to the wonders of YouTube, you can see Ron Paul respond here.

And for what it's worth, the charge that Ron Paul is somehow unelectable in the Republican party sounds awfully similar to the charges levied against Ronald Reagan in 1980. As this Time Magazine article shows, another Republican -- Gerald Ford -- branded Ronald Reagan as "unelectable" as late as March of 1980.

Read more about Fox News' censorship in Daniel McCarthy's post on the Daily Dose Blog.


http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_p...-paul-ele.html



This has gone too far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope Ron sues their ass!!!!!! RUPERT MURDOCH SHOULD FUCKIN JUMP OF A BRIDGE!

They showed his entire response during the original broadcast, and I'm sure anyone who wanted to see it, got to see it. How many times did they rerun the debate? Twice? Is that really that big of a deal? I'm sure that Fox News edited out a number of things for the later broadcasts, just to make it shorter.

In that youtube clip, they also edited out the time it took for Ron Paul to complain that he couldnt hear the question, and for Carl to repeat it. That happened multiple times in that debate, and in seemingly every debate thus far. He needs to get better hearing.
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If they edited out the answer, why then did they leave the question?
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And for what it's worth, the charge that Ron Paul is somehow unelectable in the Republican party sounds awfully similar to the charges levied against Ronald Reagan in 1980. As this Time Magazine article shows, another Republican -- Gerald Ford -- branded Ronald Reagan as "unelectable" as late as March of 1980.
Incomparable.
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Incomparable.
Well it was the article that this was written in, not my own words. But why do you think it is incomparable?
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How many times did they rerun the debate? Twice? Is that really that big of a deal?
Well not by itself, no. But the continous bias against Ron Paul on what is supposed to be a "fair and balanced" network is what pisses me off.
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what is supposed to be a "fair and balanced" network is what pisses me off.
Oh dear. You didn't really believe that fair and balanced nonsense, did you?
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Fuck FoxNews! Fuck Rupert Murdoch!

Ron Paul was not invited to Sunday night's N.H. debate.

Fuck Fox News!!! Fuck Rupert!!!


Oh that doesn't surprise me where Faux News is concerned!!!
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Revolution under way!

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