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Teta040 said:Wait a minute. What Orange parade is this? I thought they were on July 12th every year? That's bad enough..now they have to have MORE? Is this some sick joke of Sir Ian's that is intended to kill the Sinn Fein "promise"?
Lovey idea of Ian Paisley's.....LOVELY Idea. I see he has made no statement. If Trimble was still there he would have denouced the rioters, at considerable politicl and maybe even literal risk. Fat chace with THIS bastard in power.
as far as these riots, are they arresting anyone? it seems to me shooting and throwing bombs at the police is a serious offense, and frankly it seems like their response was even a little lighthanded. I'd have to wonder what would happen if mobs started shooting and attacking police in New York.
TheQuiet1 said:This is probably one of those moments when I'd be better off keeping my mouth shut. Oh well. Just some random thoughts on the whole thing (assuming it's finally over. The BBC dropped it from the national headlines yesterday I think):
1. When that BBC bloke said what the riots really showed was not so much a political stance as that NI still had a culture of violence he was right. And that's the problem. How the heck do you rid a place of such a culture? Do you really think Hain/Blair are up to it? I don't. Not when you consider places like Nottingham being called the 'gun crime capital of the UK' (Hope you're enjoying uni there btw Nikki!). I mean who'd have dreamt that Nottingham would have turned out that way in the 60s?
2. The moment when the couple whose business was completely destroyed by an arson attack said they didn't blame the person who threw the petrol bomb, they blamed the government. I think that comment says a lot. And I don't just mean their reluctance to blame their 'own side' but instead be united against 'the enemy' . It also reflects just how frustrating anyone (whether unionist or loyalist) finds the current situation. Creating SF was the most sensible thing the IRA ever did because now you've got to talk to them (they're being democratic) and you've got to listen (because if you don't...). But to a lot of people, talking to SF is talking to terrorists and to a lot of people you just don't do that (remember the fuss over Mo going into Maze prison to talk to the inmates?). To them it must seem like NI is going all out to rejoin the ROI. Apppinting Peter Hain as NI Secretary, being so close knit with SF, the dragging of heels over bringing NI back into line with the rest of the UK by having an Assembly, and Blair seems to give the impression that he would be very glad to see NI leave the UK. It scares them and it's no wonder loyalist paramilitaries are behaving as they are because they can see their power slowly slipping through their fingers. It's no wonder the two extreme political parties are getting elected. The loyalists are scared of what they're losing whilst Republicans see either SF as a foil to the loyalist voting or see the quick gains they're making. Either way, the two parties that hate each other's guts getting elected is not the way forward. Where's Trimble and Hume when you need them?
3. Yeah, I really do want NI to stay in the UK. I know that because I'm English, I'm not meant to feel like this. I know that I'm supposed to say things like "we'd be better off without you" or "whatever you want; we'll do". Of-course if the majority of people in NI want to leave the UK then of-course leave, I'm not advocating some sort of occupation thing here! I won't say the reason I want NI to remain because it'll sound so stupid but it's an important reason to me.
Still the ROI has only existed since 1949, the Irish Free State just a couple of decades before that. That's no time at all in the grand scheme of things. The idea of NI and ROI being united again could happen comparatively simply (key word being comparatively!) it's not as if you're trying to unite two places that have been completely separate for centuries. Heck, the UK will probably end in the not too distant future if the right events keep happening. Maybe NI would be better off with the rest of Ireland. Maybe one day the separate UK countries will begging to join the ROI! Who knows?
Vincent Vega said:Yes, seems to be a trauma for th Irish, especially for the Catholics since the Protestant usually were better off.
As far as I know the Protestants got their rations and nearly the rest of it got shipped to England.
I realise I'm a little late here, but I think they key word in Jamila's post was all, and she is 100% correct in that respect.Jamila[/i] Just to re-interate that[b][COLOR=red]ALL[/COLOR][/b] the violence in Northern Ireland DOES NOT COME FROM THE REPUBLICANS [/quote] [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DaveC said:
You honestly believe that Loyalists are responsible for EVERY SINGLE act of violence that occurs over there???
LJT said:
Well the cause of the famine was simple...the blight destroyed the potatoes which was the main food of the poor Irish..Protestant landlords though could afford a much greater variety of foods...the Irish Catholic farmers and labourers nearly relied souly on the potato crop....with that gone they starved. Ireland though had crops of corn growing, but that was for export to England, and English officials refused to stop the importing of Irish corn (i think it was corn) thus leaving the Irish without any alternative food.