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Old 10-24-2002, 08:15 PM   #136
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do you think they are really the killers, or are they taking the fall for others (an organized group or something)?
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Old 10-24-2002, 10:13 PM   #138
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did Oliver Stone send you? oh c'mon...

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Sarcasm aside, I have been wondering when someone will come up with a "the U.S. government planned it" or at least "the U.S. government had advance warning of it" theory.

Montgomery (Alabama) police pursued them back in September after they knocked over the liquor store and killed a clerk; however, Montgomery P.D. have been under scrutiny the past few years for alleged "police brutality" and I wonder if they were not reluctant to be too "aggressive" in pursuing them. No need to be too brutal on Mr. Muhammed and Kid Malvo.

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For all you conspiracy needs: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

BREAKING: FBI "REASONABLY SURE" SNIPER CASE IS SOLVEDSNIPER CASE IS SOLVED. Two men arrested, no links to any groups reported. If this case is what it now appears to be, it raises a troubling question. How is it possible that the same FBI that insisted they knew the names of the (presumed highly trained and expert) 9-11 hijackers before the ruins of the WTC cooled so completely unable to deal with these two "lone nuts" for so long? And how did we get from "white van" to "blue Caprice"?

10/24/02 Okay, here is how the beltway sniper is going to be tied to Al Qaeda. Ground Zero USA, where the beltway sniper supposedly practiced his shooting in Alabama, is already linked to Al Qaeda training. (Can we bomb Saddam now? Can we? Can we?)

10/24/02 More on man who runs "Ground Zero USA" camp.

One more comment. Already we are seeing the Beltway Sniper being used to attack all Muslims, as part of the continuing effort to sell a major war to the world. Before too many fingers get pointed at Muslims, I would ask Christians to recall the Holy Inquisition, the extermination of the Cathars (1/2 the population of Southern France) , the tortures and deaths of accused witches (as late as 1995), wars between Catholicism and Protestantism that almost wrecked England, etc. etc. etc. and decide if those acts by evil individuals really represent their faith as a whole. Remember that "Holy War" is not a Muslim creation, but was a concept invented by Pope Urban II in 1095 for the first of the crusades. Islam did not teach this man how to kill, the US Government did. "A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!" -- Jeremiah 48:10, Motto of Pope Gregory VII.

UPDATE: More problems are surfacing with the official story. The story is now that John Muhammad shot people from inside the trunk of the Caprice. Well, I used to drive one myself and the trunk is tiny. The idea that anyone of Muhammed's physical stature could curl up inside the trutn with a rifle, scope, and tripod and still hit anything through a hole drilled in the rear of the car is stretching credibility. There is also a conflict between the claim that John Muhammed conferted to Islam 17 years ago and the "I am God" written on the Tarot card. It is a major-league sin to call oneself or anyone else "God". The goofiness with the phones conflicts with the apparent smoothness of the early sniper attacks. These men are linked to the sniper shooting ONLY because of one phone call to the hot line that claimed credit for the sniper shootings AND a robbery that these two men actually did do.

I am wondering if these two men decided to try to pull a fast one and pretend to be the snipers in order to demand a ramsom, but got caught, and like Bruno Richard Hauptman will be framed and fried out of political expediency.
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10/24/02 Okay, here is how the beltway sniper is going to be tied to Al Qaeda. Ground Zero USA, where the beltway sniper supposedly practiced his shooting in Alabama, is already linked to Al Qaeda training. (Can we bomb Saddam now? Can we? Can we?)
Didn't they rule out any connection to the Ground Zero training camp?
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The idea that anyone of Muhammed's physical stature could curl up inside the trutn with a rifle, scope, and tripod and still hit anything through a hole drilled in the rear of the car is stretching credibility.
I was under the impression that the back seat of the car was modified so that the shooter could lie along the inside of the trunk.
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There is also a conflict between the claim that John Muhammed conferted to Islam 17 years ago and the "I am God" written on the Tarot card. It is a major-league sin to call oneself or anyone else "God".
Isn't Malvo the one suspected of writing the notes? Has it been confirmed that he was Muslim?

Also, the Nation of Islam is very different from the types of Islam practiced in the Middle East.
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And how did we get from "white van" to "blue Caprice"?
I think this is understandable. In the first ring of shootings here in Montgomery County, someone reported seeing a white truck/van. The media picked up on that, the story spread, and suddenly white vans were at every crime scene. The fact is, white vans and trucks are EVERYWHERE in the DC area. The probability of one NOT being in the areas during the shootings is low, especially since most of the shootings took place during rush hour or fairly early in the night, when there is still a lot of traffic.

I think it would have been easy to get away from the crime scenes quickly without being noticed as long as the driver could stay composed and not appear to be fleeing the scene. In a busy urban area, it's easy to be inconspicuous and to leave the area before police are able to respond. After the first shootings, I'm sure it was easier since police were focusing their attention on the white vans people had reported seeing on the tips line.
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Isn't Malvo the one suspected of writing the notes? Has it been confirmed that he was Muslim?

Actually, meegannie, I have heard some media reports of Kid Malvo's communication with a priest (a confession on an answering machine or voice mail?) which leads me to believe that Kid Malvo is Catholic and was acting on the orders of Pope Urban II.

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[QUOTE][i] And how did we get from "white van" to "blue Caprice"?

The Blue Caprice was actually seen at the 1st 2 shootings.

(Can we bomb Saddam now? Can we? Can we?)

Well we pretty much been hitting targets in the noflyzone for the past few months. If Sadaam were to put a bulls-eye on his back, I am sure we would oblige him.
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Actually, meegannie, I have heard some media reports of Kid Malvo's communication with a priest (a confession on an answering machine or voice mail?) which leads me to believe that Kid Malvo is Catholic and was acting on the orders of Pope Urban II.

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Old 10-25-2002, 05:43 AM   #146
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GOOD NEWS to hear the b*sterds been cauhgt!



give him life sentance.....

10 lives cannot be brought back because of him and his fuked up game, but now 10 more of possibly kids lives have been saved.......




u all know what I mean.
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Does anyone else think it's not a good idea to release to the public to be on the lookout for "this" type of vehichcle when in fact there is no evidence or witnesses with credible enough statements "I SAW the gun reach out of that white van" ?

I'm starting to think the police need to just gather this kind of info and keep it to themselves, because inevitably it's beaten into our heads so often "white van white van white van" that if ppl hear a shot, they are almost looking for the white van, and pay no attention to what else is in the area.

It reminds me of another case where girls were being kidnapped and murdered and the vehicle we were supposed to be on the lookout for was a white Ford F150, that's what the cops were sure was involved just because it's the only thing anyone could remember seeing, and for months afterwards ppl were calling in with "there's a F150 here!" and other false alarms.
Turns out they didn't catch the jerk until 5 years later, and it was a green Ford Taurus that was his vehicle.
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Does anyone else think it's not a good idea to release to the public to be on the lookout for "this" type of vehichcle when in fact there is no evidence or witnesses with credible enough statements "I SAW the gun reach out of that white van" ?

I'm starting to think the police need to just gather this kind of info and keep it to themselves, because inevitably it's beaten into our heads so often "white van white van white van" that if ppl hear a shot, they are almost looking for the white van, and pay no attention to what else is in the area.

I am sure the police consider the pros/cons of releasing evidentiary material, including alleged witness descriptions. It is part of the cat & mouse game played between law enforcement and criminals. I suspect many criminals examine the press after their crimes to see how much notoriety they’ve created for themselves.

You also have the tension between law enforcement and the press. If law enforcement has information that turns out to be true, yet did not release it, they risk the claim that another life could have been saved had the information been released.

But to your point, there are societal costs for the release of false information. Just watch what happens every time an Amber alert is issued.
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I do think that the Amber Alert system is a good thing, but in those cases isn't it usually because someone point blank saw a child being taken, or suspects a relative?

I just wonder how many times we've heard certain descriptions so often that subconsciously people around will just focus in on that type of vehicle, not noticing the other things around, thus could be missing the real evidence.

And I also meant to say that, mabey the cops waiting until they got a few accounts of "white van" then releasing it, but since it was released after the first shooting, it became the focus and stuck out in our minds.
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I am sure plenty of time was lost if the police had a profile sheet reading (white male driving white van).

Just think, at any given moment on the freeway, how many white vans are within view.
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