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Old 01-09-2008, 07:30 PM   #541
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I don't think that is necessarily true.

As a woman, I would like to see a female president in my lifetime. I think when 50% (or more?) of the country is female, it is not unreasonable to want to see that glass ceiling broken. Likewise, I think it's unacceptable that ONE out of your NINE Supreme Court justices is a woman. Particularly given the strength of your law schools and that admissions have been skewing towards females for years now. The Canadian Supreme Court is not only headed by a woman, but is comprised nearly of half women.

I would want my daughters to look around and see that any position, political or otherwise, is open to them someday.
Yes, I can see why you want a women President. But that doesn't mean that it is right to vote for someone just because she is a woman, same way that it isn't right to vote for someone just because he is a man. We've only had white men as Presidents in our history, but still it wouldn't be right to vote for someone just because they are a woman, hispanic, black, indian, mormon, or whatever.

We have nine justices, one of them is a woman, you may think that is unacceptable. I don't know if it is or isn't. It would be very unacceptable if a woman was denied the position because she is a woman. But likewise, how many Indian-American justices are there? Or any other race besides whites and blacks?

It is true that 1 out of 9 justices being a woman doesn't reflect the American population, but I wouldn't call that unacceptable. I would call it unacceptable if someone who deserves the position didn't get it because they are a woman, black, hispanic, asian, etc.
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I changed my vote from Dennis to Barack.

And in fact.

We have already endorsed Barack overwhelmingly~!!!

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But likewise, how many Indian-American justices are there? Or any other race besides whites and blacks?
Do Indian-Americans comprise 50%+ of your population? Do Asian-Americans comprise 50%+ of your population? Does it serve the interests of justice to have a more balanced court, filled with people of proportional backgrounds, who have had upbringings that have exposed them to a variety of social issues?

You seem to assume that it would be unfair to promote 3 more women to the court because that's setting an unfair quota for the men. I am telling you that there are at least 3 women who are equally as qualified as 3 men to fill the spots. All things being equal in terms of ability to me means that we should promote the women over them. I am not speaking of less abled folks being pushed ahead. Do you really believe that 1/9 of your female lawyers and justices are as capable as their fellow men?

There is something off about that system.

I wouldn't vote for Hillary because she's a woman. It really doesn't matter to me and she's not my ideal candidate anyway. But if she was elected, absolutely some part of me would be pleased that the most powerful nation in the world has broken through that glass ceiling.
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Do Indian-Americans comprise 50%+ of your population? Do Asian-Americans comprise 50%+ of your population? Does it serve the interests of justice to have a more balanced court, filled with people of proportional backgrounds, who have had upbringings that have exposed them to a variety of social issues?

You seem to assume that it would be unfair to promote 3 more women to the court because that's setting an unfair quota for the men. I am telling you that there are at least 3 women who are equally as qualified as 3 men to fill the spots. All things being equal in terms of ability to me means that we should promote the women over them. I am not speaking of less abled folks being pushed ahead. Do you really believe that 1/9 of your female lawyers and justices are as capable as their fellow men?

There is something off about that system.

I wouldn't vote for Hillary because she's a woman. It really doesn't matter to me and she's not my ideal candidate anyway. But if she was elected, absolutely some part of me would be pleased that the most powerful nation in the world has broken through that glass ceiling.
They are not 50%. But whatever percent they are, they are certainly more than the 0% that are justices. No, i'm sure more than 1/9 of our women are as capable as men. And if the reason that 1/9 of our justices are women and not more is simply because they are women, then yes, that is unacceptable and sexist. Same way why there are not more Asian Americans in government. If the reason there aren't enough of them is because they are not white, then that would be uncacceptable too. The only thing that I am not in favor of is saying that since x% of the population is a certain race or gender, that same x% should be representative in government.
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/plz go back to the re-tooled FYM primaries.

I changed my vote from Dennis to Barack.

And in fact.

We have already endorsed Barack overwhelmingly~!!!

I am going to talk to Joel and Kim about writing a piece for the main page.

Barack and roll!
I think this is a bad idea and I object -- especially to the "endorsement" part. I thought the FYM primary threads were to see "what you think right now" and open to change as the campaigns continue. I think it's foolhardy to crown anyone yet, and I am vehemently opposed to anyone who says "we" have already done so.
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I wouldn't vote for Hillary because she's a woman. It really doesn't matter to me and she's not my ideal candidate anyway. But if she was elected, absolutely some part of me would be pleased that the most powerful nation in the world has broken through that glass ceiling.
Precisely how I feel. Some part of me was pleased last night even.
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They are not 50%. But whatever percent they are, they are certainly more than the 0% that are justices. No, i'm sure more than 1/9 of our women are as capable as men. And if the reason that 1/9 of our justices are women and not more is simply because they are women, then yes, that is unacceptable and sexist. Same way why there are not more Asian Americans in government. If the reason there aren't enough of them is because they are not white, then that would be uncacceptable too. The only thing that I am not in favor of is saying that since x% of the population is a certain race or gender, that same x% should be representative in government.
But I don't think that kind of direct, one-to-one proportional correspondence was what anitram was arguing for at all. She was simply pointing out that when the established pattern is e.g. women making up 1/9th of the Supreme Court's membership compared to 50% (technically, 51%) of the total population, then something might appear to be a bit off. She wasn't insisting that 4 or 5 SCOTUS justices should always be women no matter what.

Indian-Americans are about 0.8% of our population, by the way, so there'd be a ways to go there before being on solid ground offering analogous suspicions. Of course that doesn't in the slightest prove anything about whether or not Americans in general tend to be prejudiced towards Indian-American candidates (though one might point to US Rep/Governor-elect Bobby Jindal [R-LA] and former US Rep Dalip Saund [D-CA] as possible evidence that we collectively aren't) because, thus far at least, those numbers are simply too small to make solid arguments about systematic statistical discrepancies.

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Hell no. Obama is leaps and bounds ahead of any of the other candidates on either side in terms of speaking ability. His speeches thus far have been transcendent. And poetic. And inspiring.

And whether you admit it or not, McCain's age is a real issue. Right now his health seems to be fine and his energy level appears to be fine as well, but whether that will last over four, let alone eight, years is another matter entirely.
McCain is essentially the same age as Reagan who had some of the most lopsided electoral victories in history and is remembered by the public and most historians as one of the best presidents in US history according to polling done on the issue.

John McCain's mom said it best, she feels sorry for all the other candidates having to compete with her son. I might add that John McCain's mom is 95 and is just as sharp and clear headed as any of the candidates including FYM's superhero Barack Obama.
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I think this is a bad idea and I object -- especially to the "endorsement" part. I thought the FYM primary threads were to see "what you think right now" and open to change as the campaigns continue. I think it's foolhardy to crown anyone yet, and I am vehemently opposed to anyone who says "we" have already done so.
Anything I could possibly post on the mainpage would be mine and mine only.
Not FYM's or Interfererence's per se.

I will keep the forum posted.
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McCain is essentially the same age as Reagan who had some of the most lopsided electoral victories in history and is remembered by the public and most historians as one of the best presidents in US history according to polling done on the issue.

John McCain's mom said it best, she feels sorry for all the other candidates having to compete with her son. I might add that John McCain's mom is 95 and is just as sharp and clear headed as any of the candidates including FYM's superhero Barack Obama.
Good post. Considering his mother seems to be doing fine, looks like John has some good genes in him, so I don't think age plays much of a role here.
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His victory speech last night was amazing.
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Anything I could possibly post on the mainpage would be mine and mine only.
Not FYM's or Interfererence's per se.

I will keep the forum posted.
Then don't pitch it as FYM's endorsement.

It's waaaaay too early for that.
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