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Old 01-08-2008, 11:01 PM   #391
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That speech was beautiful.

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Yea, we've already interfered with them. They attacked us, so there is nothing wrong in fighting back (Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda). But why continue to interfere with them in Iraq, Iran, etc.? We don't need to do that.

We shouldn't get involved in Rwanda or Kenya either. Let'em be. That's what I say.

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I am stunned. Did I get it wrong? Did McCain hurt Obama?
No.

Women hurt Obama.
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Was it all women or mostly older women?

I haven't seen a breakdown of age.
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We're talking two tiny states with relatively few delegates. It could theoretically go to anyone in later primaries at this point.

My question addresses the technical aspect of the caucus system.
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I know you are a neo-con so hence you are never going to see reality, so that is why I don't want to start a discussion either. But your ignorance and arrogance are one of the stupidest things that i've ever seen.
Well I know you are a Ron Paul supporter, so you'll never see reality either, my friend.

The radical Islamists do not attack us because we have bases in their land. We have bases all over the world. We have bases in Germany, but you don't see them attacking us, do you? They attack us because they follow the extreme beliefs of Islam that teach hatred, that refuse to allow equality for women and minority opinions. They don't just hate Americans. Remember the attacks in England? Scotland?

I won't say anymore about this. But your belief in a "blame America first" mentality is outrageous and you ought to be ashamed of yourself, your candidate, and everyone who thinks like you do.
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Was it all women or mostly older women?

I haven't seen a breakdown of age.
Me neither. I'm not sure they have one yet?
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Here comes Hillary.
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No.

Women hurt Obama.
THat may be true however, the pollsters projected that independent voters would be heading his way hurting McCain.

If it reached 50 - 50 split - that made the difference.
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the extreme beliefs of Islam that teach hatred, that refuse to allow equality for women and minority opinions.
Replace "Islam" with the "American Religious Right," and you get an equally interesting statement.
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Obama is truly an excellent speaker, no matter what.
No doubt about it.
After so many years of this administrations negativity, it gives me chills and great pleasure to hear so many people chanting
"We can do it".

He's truly a phenomenal speaker!!

Hillary's on now..
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It is a fairly nice sounding platitude, but isolationism has not suited the U.S. historically. We're stuck in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" kind of scenario. "Damned" if we do get involved in global conflicts, because then we're interpreted as the "world police"; "damned" if we don't, because then we're seen as being self-centered, irresponsible global citizens. How many in the anti-war crowd wanted the U.S. to get involved in Darfur, Sudan?

I'm not here to defend Iraq, which was, in hindsight, an ideologically driven escapade given false justification after the fact (as anyone having studied PNAC can attest to). But one colossal mistake (Iraq) should not automatically lead to the other extreme of isolationism.
I'm not advocating isolationism, i'm advocating non-interventionalism.

And yes, if we pull out of Iraq now and stop all the threats to Iran and stop giving money to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Israel and stop getting involved in the domestic affairs of Russia or Pakistan, and stop all the other things right now right away, it probably won't have an immediate affect. So yea we will be damned for now even if we stop all the policing, because people are still going to remember how we've been for all these decades. But I think over years and years of non-interventionalism the hatred for America will fade away.

Until then we will need to take our own domestic measures to stop potential terrorist threats. And that means securing the borders, inspecting all incoming cargo, etc.
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Replace "Islam" with the "American Religious Right," and you get an equally interesting statement.
Are you sure you want to do that? I really don't want to have this debate.
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