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Old 01-08-2008, 10:47 PM   #361
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I'm concerned that many Democrats want to ignore reality and live in a wholly pacifist fantasyland. Of course, I understand that much of this has to do with how fabricated Iraq was. That doesn't mean, however, that all of our potential external threats are wholly fabricated.
They wouldn't be threats to us if we didn't interfere with them. That is why they are threats, because we go into their land and tell them what to do. If we stayed out of all their business like Canada does, we wouldn't need to lose time, money and American lives waging wars on the other side of the globe in order to defeat "threats."
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I am stunned. Did I get it wrong? Did McCain hurt Obama?
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Obama is speaking. Shit.

I guess tonight is over.
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Obama speaking now...
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Apparently women hurt Obama the most, he got a big indy vote.
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Here's a question for all of you who are a little more politically savvy than I - CNN is showing that Clinton is winning the popular in NH, but Obama has more delegates than she does. Does that mean that he would still technically 'win' NH because more state delegates would vote for him at the convention?
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They wouldn't be threats to us if we didn't interfere with them. That is why they are threats, because we go into their land and tell them what to do. If we stayed out of all their business like Canada does, we wouldn't need to lose time, money and American lives waging wars on the other side of the globe in order to defeat "threats."
This is true for some threats, but not for others.

That view is too simplistic.
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Crap. I didn't realize just how much I was hoping Obama would pull it off until just now.
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"we can disagree without being disagreeable" good line from Obama.
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Obama thumped Clinton in Hanover 58-26%.
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The latest results include Dartmouth, so that's probably why CNN called it for Hillary.

Dartmouth easily went for Obama, but the number of votes certainly aren't enough to overcome the deficit he already has.

Obama 58.16% 2,779 votes
Clinton 26.12% 1,248 votes
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Fuck. I need Edwards to get out of this race before super tuesday. I can't imagine that Clinton would get a lot of his supporters.
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This is true for some threats, but not for others.

That view is too simplistic.
Yes but I was referring to the radical Islam threat, Iraq, Iran which is what i'm pretty sure that melon was referring to. Radical Islam wouldn't be a threat to us if we stayed out of their business.
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They wouldn't be threats to us if we didn't interfere with them. That is why they are threats, because we go into their land and tell them what to do. If we stayed out of all their business like Canada does, we wouldn't need to lose time, money and American lives waging wars on the other side of the globe in order to defeat "threats."
We've already interfered with them. Get it?

What's done is done.

Deal with the problem as it actually exists not as an ideal.

That's a moderate, objective, realistic viewpoint, IMO.

That doesn't work well in rallys when you're calling for "change" and trying to placate the left wing idealists but it's as fucking real world as it gets.
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Radical Islam wouldn't be a threat to us if we stayed out of their business.
I don't want to start a discussion about this, as it's completely off-topic, but that is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
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