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Old 01-08-2008, 08:48 PM   #256
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If you don't believe in the Iraq war, you don't want McCain. It's that simple. He's a war-monger. He's all for the idea of being in Iraq for the next decade. His image has really changed for me over the past four years.
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You only want Hilary to win because you think she's more easily defeatable than Obama.
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To be frank, it scares the utter shit out me that someone in my own age group(I think we're around the same age, I'm 23) is so staunchly Republican.
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If a Democrat somehow ended up winning the election, which one would you prefer?
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If you don't believe in the Iraq war, you don't want McCain. It's that simple. He's a war-monger. He's all for the idea of being in Iraq for the next decade. His image has really changed for me over the past four years.
My views on the Iraq war are complicated. I opposed it from the beginning and I think it has been thoroughly bungled. At the same time I'm probably less eager for a quick exit then most of the other people who also disagreed with the pursuit and prosecution of this misadventure. I guess I'm highly skeptical as to whether a quick exit is possible, practical, and desirable for the security of the region.

I don't know if I would go so far as to characterize McCain as a war monger--somebody who wants to go to war for wars sake for political gain. I think he really believes in our being in there long term. I'm not sure to what extent I agree with him, but I suspect it doesn't really matter.
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Hillary's lead keeps getting bigger; but it is close.
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As for this "experience" issue. Gosh, I don't know what else to say on that subject. I think several compelling arguments have been made as to why Obama's lack of experience isn't such the handicap that everyone insists it is. I'm not sure there's any point in repeating those.

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look at Bill Clinton's resume' in 92 when he was 46 same age as Obama

or better yet JFKs in 60 when he was younger than Obama,
JFK 12 years in Congress, 8 years in Senate (I think) not to mention WWII service.

With Obama's experience and popularity he would be natural for Governor, that is a chief executive position and seems to be the way the Whitehouse has been trending since 1976.

people will gamble on a statehouse

Jesse "the body" Ventura

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I am not ready to flip a coin on the Whitehouse.
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They've already called it for McCain.

And Barack needs to hold on. They are already suggesting that Kucinich may have handed Barack Iowa.

Digging in for this. Shit.
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With Obama's experience and popularity he would be natural for Governor, that is a chief executive position and seems to be the way the Whitehouse has been trending since 1976.
When Richardson ran for Governor here in NM and won, everyone knew that he would run for President.

I agree with you completely. Based on what I've seen so far, I wouldn't mind at all if Obama was elected President. But not in 2008.
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When Richardson ran for Governor here in NM and won, everyone knew that he would run for President.

I agree with you completely. Based on what I've seen so far, I wouldn't mind at all if Obama was elected President. But not in 2008.
And look how much being a Governer has helped Richardson in the Democratic race...
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Well, so much for my informal polling in the line this morning.
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And look how much being a Governer has helped Richardson in the Democratic race...
I forgot to add that we also knew he didn't have a chance, but it's a logical move towards the White House.
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I'd love to know how Obama would be "unstoppable" with a bit more experience. You can't exactly manufacture the momentum he's got right now, and if he doesn't win this time around, he's sure as hell not going to be able to guarantee any of that momentum will stick around at all.

I also can't believe Hillary's polling so well. She strikes me as being cut from the same cloth as the current establishment, of right-leaning big money.
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Total Richardson, Dennis, and Edwards and then ask all those people who they prefer between Hilary and Obama.

It's time for Edwards to do what he did on TV Saturday night -- tag team.

Or hand it to Hillary.

This is the general election for me.
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I'm watching McCain's speech right now, and it's really something else.
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