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Old 01-08-2008, 07:40 PM   #241
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You can't honestly tell me that you think the system is going to change because of who becomes President. It's the same no matter who ends up there.

I think people are just as sick of this whole change thing, because I've been around long enough to know that nothing will change, regardless of who is President.

And that's nothing against Clinton, Obama, or anyone else. It's just a fact.
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Old 01-08-2008, 07:45 PM   #242
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Ya, but this election is not about the establishment. It's a cliche now, but it really is about change. People are sick of the way the system works now and she typifies that system. Yes, she is very smart, but she is politics as usual. She is bought and paid for by corporate America which means she will work for them, not us. People are SICK of that.
Change is the new hot word that everyone is going to be using now because it's what the American people want to hear.

And I don't care if you're 16 or 60, most people are smart enough to know that there isn't going to be some huge change because "insert your candidate here" is in the Oval Office. Sure, things may get better, but people who think utopia is just around the corner are being a bit delusional.

And I am a little cranky as I am trying to watch updates and read a huge ass law book at the same time.
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Old 01-08-2008, 08:00 PM   #243
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Things actually changed a lot with Bush in office. It does matter. But no, the system doesn't change overnight.
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Clinton is up over Obama 38% to 36% with 11% of the vote in.
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Old 01-08-2008, 08:12 PM   #245
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Hillary's early lead has me on the edge.
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Old 01-08-2008, 08:23 PM   #246
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NOOOOO!!!!!! Not Hillary!!!!! It like a photo finish horse race.
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Old 01-08-2008, 08:29 PM   #247
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Certainly if Hillary pulls out a win today, it will diminish the Obama hype. Even a close win by Obama could do that. And as much as I like Obama, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing for him. As several have pointed out on a few threads here, the expectations for Obama are becoming perhaps a little much and a little unrealistic.
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Old 01-08-2008, 08:38 PM   #248
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I'm still watching this tonight. Shit.
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Old 01-08-2008, 08:38 PM   #249
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This could be Obama's lucky day.

And a great break for the country
and just about everybody.

2-3 years as a Senator is a very thin resume'

sounding like JFK and MLK jr is nice
I can present a list of some fine actors that have done superb jobs doing the same


in 4, 8 or 12 years with a good record in the Senate, Obama will be completely legit and unstoppable

his fate is in his hands alone



The GOP would love to take the Clintons out now.

This is their best shot.

There won't be other chances for them
like there will be for Obama.


Reagan ran in 76 and maybe even 72 as a favorite son in CA
look how successful was in 80 and 84

let's hope for the same success for Obama
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McCain and Hillary victories would be perfect.

McCain's won and Hillary isn't looking real bad right now.

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If Hillary comes close, she will be around for a while.
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McCain and Hillary victories would be perfect.

McCain's won and Hillary isn't looking real bad right now.

You only want Hilary to win because you think she's more easily defeatable than Obama.
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This could be Obama's lucky day.

And a great break for the country
and just about everybody.

2-3 years as a Senator is a very thin resume'

sounding like JFK and MLK jr is nice
I can present a list of some fine actors that have done superb jobs doing the same


in 4, 8 or 12 years with a good record in the Senate, Obama will be completely legit and unstoppable

his fate is in his hands alone



The GOP would love to take the Clintons out now.

This is their best shot.

There won't be other chances for them
like there will be for Obama.


Reagan ran in 76 and maybe even 72 as a favorite son in CA
look how successful was in 80 and 84

let's hope for the same success for Obama
It's nobody's lucky day. Obama would be a better president than Hillary.
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This could be Obama's lucky day.

And a great break for the country
and just about everybody.

2-3 years as a Senator is a very thin resume'

sounding like JFK and MLK jr is nice
I can present a list of some fine actors that have done superb jobs doing the same


in 4, 8 or 12 years with a good record in the Senate, Obama will be completely legit and unstoppable

his fate is in his hands alone



The GOP would love to take the Clintons out now.

This is their best shot.

There won't be other chances for them
like there will be for Obama.


Reagan ran in 76 and maybe even 72 as a favorite son in CA
look how successful was in 80 and 84

let's hope for the same success for Obama
I'm not as optimistic for for four, eight, twelve more years of divisive politics, of an apathetic electorate who figures it's all in the hands of the moneymen anyway. I'm sure Obama will be in great shape, but will the country?

As for this "experience" issue. Gosh, I don't know what else to say on that subject. I think several compelling arguments have been made as to why Obama's lack of experience isn't such the handicap that everyone insists it is. I'm not sure there's any point in repeating those.

I think I'd almost prefer McCain as my second choice. At least he USED to be known as a guy who wasn't a knee-jerk party loyalist and was willing to reach across the aisle.
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I'm watching the Hillary-Barack show tonight. Intense.
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