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Old 04-13-2006, 02:03 AM   #61
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Do you have polls to show that the people dont want to build a wall.

those for building the wall....

my link is above
According to the Time Poll, it's 56%
According to Fox it's 93% for the Mexican and Canadian border
According to CNN it's 48%
According to CBS it's 48%

some of those, like Fox is split into a 'Strongly Agree/Somewhat Agree' type polling, but nevertheless, they agree.

Personally, I am not opposed to it, although I am not sure how effective it would really be.
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Old 04-17-2006, 06:06 PM   #62
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This was from another message board. A member there received an e-mail from a friend.

I got this the other day that says it all:

Dear President Bush:
> > >
> > >I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family,
> > >and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across
> > >the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few
> > >arrangements. I know you can help with this.
> > >
> > >I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports,
> > >immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the
> > >same way you do here.
> > >
> > >So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that
> > >I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting
> > >the following:
> > >
> > >1. Free medical care for my entire family.
> > >
> > >2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I
> > >might need, whether I use them or not.
> > >
> > >3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
> > >
> > >4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
> > >
> > >5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
> > >
> > >6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of
> > >the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
> > >
> > >7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and
> > >lunch.
> > >
> > >8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy
> > >access to government services.
> > >
> > >9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any
> > >effort to learn local traffic laws.
> > >
> > >10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the
> > >memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all
> > >police officers speak English.
> > >
> > >11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag
> > >decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I
> > >do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
> > >
> > >12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes,
> > >and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
> > >
> > >13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice
> > >and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might
> > >place on the economy.
> > >
> > >14. Eventually I want to be able to vote and have all election
>materials
> > >and notices sent to me in English with Spanish as a second language..
> > >
> > >I know this is an easy request because you already do all these
> > >things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico.


I am sorry, but if you are not a citizen and come here illegally, you do not have the right to stay. We cannot take care of the CITIZENS we already have. Just because we are America does not mean anyone has the right to DEMAND charity from us. You hate your country, Fix it. And the "they only do the crap jobs we don't want" is BS too. I lost several management jobs because I was not bilingual...in my own country I loose good paying jobs because the workers don't speak english. Don't even get me started on having to go out of my way if I want to get my fast food correct and without hassle. Before you slam me, I am trying to learn Spanish and Italian, not because I have to have it in my own country, but so when I travel in the next year or so, I will not offend people in other countries by expecting them to speak English. The US citizens in the protesters need to start worrying about more important things, like the effect on our economy is going to handle spending two billion dollars a week in Iraq and Afganistan rather than demanding money and resources for people who break the law and are not citizens. Let the hating me begin.
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You hate your country, Fix it.
You keep saying this, but you don't really understand...

How much power do the poor have here to "fix" things? Now think about how much the poor have in Mexico.

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And the "they only do the crap jobs we don't want" is BS too. I lost several management jobs because I was not bilingual...in my own country I loose good paying jobs because the workers don't speak english.
I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. How does you not getting a job because you're bilingual have to do with "they only do the crap jobs we don't want"?
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If you read above this was from another board. What about the poor in the US? They have plenty of options to fix there problem. Why dont the people of mexico help the poor and help make there country better in the process.
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If you read above this was from another board.
I thought the last part was yours, my bad.

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What about the poor in the US? They have plenty of options to fix there problem.
Um, yeah...

Well that's debatable, but really this has nothing to do with immigration.
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If you read above this was from another board. What about the poor in the US? They have plenty of options to fix there problem. Why dont the people of mexico help the poor and help make there country better in the process.
Oh but that would give us one less reason to rag on the US Government.........

I mean we all know there is no corruption in Mexico and that the income from their natural resources is being wisely used in a fair and wise manner to help all of it's citizens not want to cross the border illegally
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Mexico and the US has there fair share of corrpution. The American people are more outspoken about it and have the will to change the problems.

The hispanics (that includes mexicans) solve there problems by bringing it to the US. If you look at it, this might be a plan where all the latin american countrys want the poor people out and dump it on American Society, so they can have their Utopia.

I know the last part sounds far fetched.
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Mexico and the US has there fair share of corrpution. The American people are more outspoken about it and have the will to change the problems.

The hispanics (that includes mexicans) solve there problems by bringing it to the US. If you look at it, this might be a plan where all the latin american countrys want the poor people out and dump it on American Society, so they can have their Utopia.

I know the last part sounds far fetched.
Well, it's been such a huge success for Cuba.............
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Where are you from Toscano? Well people in Cuba must follow Castros rules or be punished, which may mean death.
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The hispanics (that includes mexicans) solve there problems by bringing it to the US.
Or maybe they are just going to the land of oppurtunity to better their lives.
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Where are you from Toscano? Well people in Cuba must follow Castros rules or be punished, which may mean death.
I was referring to the Mariel boatlift of 1980 when Cuba sent their worst criminals to the US

I'm a world citizen, currently live in the US but have lived in many places, Socialist, 3rd World, you name it on 3 different continents
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Or maybe they are just going to the land of oppurtunity to better their lives.
If they came here for better lives, then they would want to learn the language of their new country. Learn the LAWS (one of which they broke, by crossing into our country illegally.)

The fact is they dont want to learn the customs, language or anything about there new country. They pretty much gather up all the "Hard Money" they worked for and send it back to "Their" families.

A person such as yourself BVS who was born in Texas should know the burden of illegal immigrants.
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The fact is they dont want to learn the customs, language or anything about there new country.
Can you provide statistical support for this?
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Come to California and see how our state tax money is used to make sure everthing is is spanish for people who can't speak the language. Hell when I worked at a video store. I had kids come up to me who spoke broken english because there parents (probably illegal) who could not speak english.
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If they came here for better lives, then they would want to learn the language of their new country. Learn the LAWS (one of which they broke, by crossing into our country illegally.)

The fact is they dont want to learn the customs, language or anything about there new country. They pretty much gather up all the "Hard Money" they worked for and send it back to "Their" families.
I like how you actually believe this to be cold hard fact.

It's true that some do this. But there are many who come here out of pure desperation and don't have the time or resources to become legal right away and they work their way towards that and getting the rest of their family over here.


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A person such as yourself BVS who was born in Texas should know the burden of illegal immigrants.
I know that housing, produce, and almost every other labor backed industry would raise in price if illegal immigrants were automatically shipped out tomorrow.
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