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Old 05-02-2006, 12:18 PM   #181
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Justin24, I do hope you always live as good as I bet you do. What I see in you is an arrogant person who takes for granted everything he has and does not realize that other human beings are living precarious situations that none of us want to go through.

Your views on Latin American people are so contemptous that it makes me wonder why it is you think that way. It feels like you personally have been affected by LA´s.
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Old 05-02-2006, 12:23 PM   #182
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I am so sick and tired of people ranting about their own success story and how that story means everyone else ought to be able to do it to. If you take that some sort of reasoning, if Kobe Bryant can make two incredible game ending shots in the NBA, then everyone else should be able to as well. Sometimes people land lucky breaks. Sometimes people find themselves in a fairly fortunate situation.
What i'm sick of is people finding excuses to allow people who break the law to be sympathized with and then attribute those who have worked honestly to recieve their documentation to having "lucky breaks" and "fortunate situations" I'm sorry, I didn't know you were with my dad every step of the way while he became citizen of this country. My Bad. I guess he should have done it the easy way and disregarded the laws set by the country he wants to be a part of. What was I thinking.

I also have a suggested reading list, it's pretty short: The United States Constitution

and P.S.- I am proud of my Hispanic culture. But I'm proud of my American culture more. Why? Because I live here.
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Old 05-02-2006, 12:24 PM   #183
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You don't know me. I have grown up poor. We used to get those government type foods. I used to wear hand me downs. If my pants had a hole in them where my knees were my mom would patch them up. My mom is from Guatemala and my dads mom was from Guatemala. Not until two years ago did we start having good fortune. My mom quite her teaching job and now has her own business. I love latin american people, but why should we make it easy for those who come here illegaly when many others came here the proper way and went through the long process.

I have brought bags of cloths to the poor people in guatemala to give for free so the kids and adults can have new cloths to wear, since they are paid so little and cannot afford new cloths. So please do not judge me if you dont know me.
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Old 05-02-2006, 12:32 PM   #184
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I think the US depends on these immigrants because they're doing a lot of the jobs that most Americans don't want. However, being here illegally should be as wrong here as it would be if Americans went to another country to live without obtaining citizenship or even a work visa.

I also think it should be mandatory to learn the language before moving to a country - any country.
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Old 05-02-2006, 12:39 PM   #185
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You don't know me. I have grown up poor. We used to get those government type foods. I used to wear hand me downs. If my pants had a hole in them where my knees were my mom would patch them up. My mom is from Guatemala and my dads mom was from Guatemala. Not until two years ago did we start having good fortune. My mom quite her teaching job and now has her own business. I love latin american people, but why should we make it easy for those who come here illegaly when many others came here the proper way and went through the long process.

I have brought bags of cloths to the poor people in guatemala to give for free so the kids and adults can have new cloths to wear, since they are paid so little and cannot afford new cloths. So please do not judge me if you dont know me.
I wasn´t judging you. I simply gave you feedback on the impression your derrogatory comments are giving.
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Old 05-02-2006, 12:52 PM   #186
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"suggesting about getting rid of St. Patricks Day, then I am all for it, as long as we get rid of Cinco De Mayo.

Do you know why they welcome you with open arms?? Because the dollar is worth more than the Peso."

Is this derrogatory. The reason I feel this way is because I love my country. I would never go to another country if this one was having problems. I find a solution to that problem and not run away.
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Old 05-02-2006, 12:57 PM   #187
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Do you know why they welcome you with open arms?? Because the dollar is worth more than the Peso."

Is this derrogatory.
Yes.
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Old 05-02-2006, 01:09 PM   #188
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can you explain to me how that is derrogatory? please.
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I also think it should be mandatory to learn the language before moving to a country - any country.
The process of assimilation involves adjusting to the larger culture, language, etc.
An immigrant quickly realizes the advantages of learning the language of their new country and are motivated to do so.
If they have children it is easier to learn a new language. School helps in this regard.
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and BVS if your suggesting about getting rid of St. Patricks Day, then I am all for it, as long as we get rid of Cinco De Mayo.

That's just a step backwards, ignorance. Why delete our culture?
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1. The have clinic's run by the state which I have seen illegals go to for medical attention. Correct me if I am wrong but don't hospitals admit patients no matter what??
Emergency rooms may admit no matter what, but hospitals...no. And your state run clinics, all differ from state to state. Like I said TX makes it very difficult if you are illegal.
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2. I bet if you read Mexican text books you would only learn about their culture
Tell me Justin, was Mexico built upon the backs of many different cultures such as Irish, Polish, German, French, Spainish, etc?
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3. Aren't licences state issued and the law banning illegals from aquiring was voted by the people. So don't blame Bush. Let me guess your blaming all you problems on Bush right. Your All mighty God GWB.
Yes you got me, all my problems are caused by Bush. Bush signed the law a few years ago to allow illegal immigrants to obtain drivers licence, that's why I said that.
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Tell me Justin, was Mexico built upon the backs of many different cultures such as Irish, Polish, German, French, Spainish, etc?
Mexico was built on the backs of Indian Slaves thanks to the Spanish.

America was built by Legal Polish, Irish, German, French, Spanish, african americans (yes I know the whole slavery issue), Asians people.
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Mexico was built on the backs of Indian Slaves thanks to the Spanish.
Both of which is part of Mexican culture and history. So your textbook comment makes no sense.
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America was built by Legal Polish, Irish, German, French, Spanish, african americans (yes I know the whole slavery issue), Asians people.
Oh really, and what text books have you been reading? What made all of them "legal".

But at least you do realize that America was built by a melting pot of cultures, that's a good start. So why are you trying to ignore all these aspects as being part of American culture?
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What made all of them "legal". But at least you do realize that America was built by a melting pot of cultures, that's a good start. So why are you trying to ignore all these aspects as being part of American culture?
What made them all legal??? Laws. But you see many of those different ethinical backrounds were treated bad, until the laws changed, but they were still citizens.

Who said I was ignoring being part of an american culture. Let's see, as an american I have my own views on matters and can side which ever way I wan't. I believe immigrants have every right to be a citizen, In the Legal manner.

Why should we give amnesty, it would send the wrong message. If we did give them amnesty it would create a tidal wave of more illegal immigrants coming here.

I know it is impossible to deport all 12 million illegal immigrants. So I say give them amnesty. Pay a 5,000 dollar fine and the furthest they could reach is legal resident, but not citizen. As a punishment for coming here illegally.
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Justin, just a quick FYI if you want to build your case:

Don't say giving amnesty sends the wrong message and then in the next sentence say give them amnesty.
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