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Old 03-24-2003, 04:13 PM   #76
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Headache in a Suitcase;

Before you respond to the tempered responses you have receieved, let me point out that if you didn't want such tempered responses you shouldn't have made such a, frankly, dubious comment. Be prepared for a lot of people flaming you for it.

Having said that, for the sake of keeping this thread open, I will like to ask people, politely, to keep their comments less heated than Headache's was. Lets refrain from kicking each other out of places altogether.

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Does this mean that you would only support US troops if you received a benefit from their service (ie, fighting for your rights)?
No, I just was just responding to Headache's rationale of why I should support them. Though I can't think of many instances where I'd support military action.
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Old 03-24-2003, 05:24 PM   #78
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I was surprised there weren't more celebrities expressing their dissent. Susan Sarandon, Richard Gere....I'm looking at you!

Michael Moore didn't coward away from the spotlight, and for that reason I'm pround. He's a true American, and everyone would agree with him if they only did a little independent reading....turned off Fox News Network for one hour a day, and started using their brains. This may sound like sarcasm, but I'm dead honest.

His speech was short of pefection only because he was cut off by the moronic sounds of boos. It just goes to show that while more than half the audience politiely applauded his remarks, the LOUDER bunch (therefore the majority) pushed THEIR agenda and are therefore just as bad as Moore, if you use that logic.

It WAS the right time for the speech, because the world needs to know (all 1 billion that supposedly watched the show), that the silent majority of Americans are against the reasoning for the this war.

We all unquestionably support the troops, but to accuse Moore of disrespecting the troops is to miss the point of his anger. He's mad at the policy of the Bush Admistration, not the boys and girls devoting their life to foolish reasons. Bush is taking advantage of our countries most devoted source of patriotism and it for his own greedy, selfish reasons that OUR men....Iraq's men will die.


VIVA Free speech.....viva Michael Moore.....viva Taco Bell!!!!!!!!!!


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dano, thanks for saying what i was trying to say before.
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I LOVED Michael Moores speech! It may have come off as well-put or "intelligent" as some of you say...I say he's more intelligent than all those Hollywood actors all together (most of them). To use fancy words does not make you intelligent. I think what moore said was really spot on, and it needed to be said. People want him to tone down, but guess what, wars aren't "toned down". You can't be toned down about a war, if you got some sort of concience. This is a f*cking important issue, and I don't think you can ask anyone to be toned down right now when Bush and "The Land Of The Free" (like there aren't any other free countries in this world???) is out f*cking the world up.
It's just this attitude that is the reason that there are riots, fights and explosions that have left 4 dead and hundreds injured in "peace" protests.
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It's just this attitude that is the reason that there are riots, fights and explosions that have left 4 dead and hundreds injured in "peace" protests.
what? because it's an anti-war attitude?
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Being antiwar does not mean you are antiAmerican. The fact that war protestors wish to have no war does not mean they don't care about the servicemen and women. In fact, that stance would keep more of them safe and alive.

War is the problem - not the solution.

The thing about Michael Moore is that he has the ability to share his information in a articulate and visual way via his documentaries. If you saw Bowling you would see that the gun industry is like the tobacco industry. 'We know our products are killing people but it sure provides a nice profit for our company.'

I'm so glad you posted this because Michael Moore's analogy is a nice arguement for the use of force in Iraq.

You say war is the problem - not the solution. The sad fact is that Saddam has made war the only solution. And if you're talking about the death of over 100,000 Iraqi citizens every year under Saddam's rule, then in fact the lack of war is the problem.

So Moore uses the analogy of tobacco companies and gun companies. I say this, we know that Saddam, WMD's and UN sanctions are hurting the people of Iraq, but countries like France and Russia sure get a nice little profit for not getting rid of Saddam.
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what? because it's an anti-war attitude?
No because it's an attitude of saying people should be angry and"not-toned down" with anti-war sentiments.

If you can't see the irony of using violence at peace protests, then that's your own problem.
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No because it's an attitude of saying people should be angry and"not-toned down" with anti-war sentiments.

If you can't see the irony of using violence at peace protests, then that's your own problem.
ahh i see, so a small percentage of the population represents everyone? there's dumb fucks (those who get violent at a protest) at just about every protest, no matter what the subject is.
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ahh i see, so a small percentage of the population represents everyone? there's dumb fucks (those who get violent at a protest) at just about every protest, no matter what the subject is.
wow, you do have a way with putting words in people's mouths. I didn't say every protestor was violent. I said it was the attitude of the original post that can certainly create violent protest.

And yes, there is violence in many protests. But again, I say it is quite ironic in peace protests. Do you see what I'm saying?
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The funnist thing to happen was as the boos got louder..
the antiwar suppoters grew quiet and sunk into their chairs.

As the camera panned to the audience,Martin Sciocose-sp and others cringed and slumped down into his seats as Michael was being hissed and booed off the stage

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Well, to be fair, we can't really ascertain for sure if Martin Scorsese was cringing because of Moore's speech (though I know I was) or the booing from behind him (because he did glance behind him several times and wince).

However, I have a feeling Mr. Scorsese, one of my all time favourite American directors, is pro-war.

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Ok, this is starting to irritate me.

I was replying to a good post by U2FReAk but when I posted it, it did exactly what it did in the other thread with 'speedracer' today (the 'Being John Malkovich' experience, I called it). In this case my message was there but it was under U2FReAk's name. In an attempt to delete the post and try to reply at the end of the thread, the process seems to have erased U2FReAk's original post altogether!

U2FReAk, I am very VERY sorry, and I did not mean to delete your intelligent post, I am extremely sorry. I was trying to avoid the confusion people had in the other thread, where it looked like I had become speedracer or vice versa.

It was a good post, and I thought I had a good reply to it. Is there anyway you can post what you said again?

Again, my sincerest apologies.

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I agree w/your posts in this thread
Im glad youre not easy to type-cast.

Martin Sc. is against the Iraqi war though.
He was wincing hard too..

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