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Old 07-12-2007, 04:53 PM   #151
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Some people claim that being gay isn't a choice while some gay people such as Irvine admit that it can partially be.



care to explain? i would love to know what i've admitted.




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I do know for a good portion of my life I was a hedonistic phalander, hurt many many people and know now that lifestyle would be offensible in the sight of God, and after some spiritual experiences, which are too sacred to discuss in a public fourm, I knew it was time for me make a major change in my own lifestyle.

it's good that you're no longer a slut. i can see how that could hurt people, though i'm at a loss as to who i've harmed by being gay (other than all the broken straight female hearts i've left in my wake). but can one choose to curb the frequency of one's sexual conquests in the same manner in which one can choose which gender one is attracted to?
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Old 07-12-2007, 04:54 PM   #152
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I think this thread should remain open and that we can discourse civilly among each other.



I do know for a good portion of my life I was a hedonistic phalander, hurt many many people and know now that lifestyle would be offensible in the sight of God, and after some spiritual experiences, which are too sacred to discuss in a public fourm, I knew it was time for me make a major change in my own lifestyle.
And I did make those changes and glad I did.

So carry on everybody, but please do civilly.

Thanks,

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It is not reasonable to equate or project your own personal past behavior on others.

Because a certain thing you choose to do, may work for you,

does not mean everyones experience is the same as yours and they need to follow your example.




I have not had to modify my behavior,
or make any major chances in my own lifestyle.

I might feel conflicted
if I told everyone else how to live.
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the argument that homosexuality is *solely* genetic is debatable,

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^ honey, you're wildly reading into things.

where is the word "choice" in the above?

i have said, repeatedly, and intentionally, that sexual orientation is 100% involuntary.
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*solely*


that means only,
so other things may contribute to genetic

are you grasping?


the whole tone of the thread has been very disappointing to me


But, I knew it was projection.
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It is not reasonable to equate or project your own personal past behavior on others.

Because a certain thing you choose to do, may work for you,

does not mean everyones experience is the same as yours and they need to follow your example.




I have not had to modify my behavior,
or make any major chances in my own lifestyle.

I might feel conflicted
if I told everyone else how to live.
But you claim not to believe in God.

Anyway back to the point-


When I lived as a hedonist, I felt unhappy and didn't judge anyone nor do I did I tell ppl how to live.

I now live a different lifestyle, no longer feel conflicted still do not judge ppl, nor tell ppl how to live.


I did however post an artcle about a fellow who changed his lifestyle and his name is Michael Glatze.

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the whole tone of the thread has been very disappointing to me
My disappointment began with the first line of the article that began the thread, "Homosexuality came easy to me, because I was already weak."

And it went downhill from there.
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I did however post an artcle about a fellow who changed his lifestyle and his name is Michael Glatze.


i agree.

Michael Glatze changed his lifestyle.

but he did not change his sexual orientation, no matter how much gay shame he confesses.

the poor thing. i consider him a victim of Christian abuse.
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I did however post an artcle about a fellow who changed his lifestyle and his name is Michael Glatze.

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Then the title of the thread should have been "He changed his lifestyle" rather than "He became straight."



edited to add: didn't see Irvine's similar post.
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But you claim not to believe in God.




I don't know
or really care that much


I do care how I behave
and how people are treated


I want to leave a better world for your children
and for us, while we are here
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Then the title of the thread should have been "He changed his lifestyle" rather than "He became straight."



edited to add: didn't see Irvine's similar post.
Sometimes you need a hook to attract ppl's attention to open a thread.
My name only posesses so much flair to garner the needed interest to open a thread.

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Anyway back to the point-


When I lived as a hedonist,


dbs
perhaps this Michael was a hedonist, too

there may be a connection




Irvine and Memphis

live much less hedonistic lives than many people I know

Let's include LA Senator Vittner (whore monger) for one


perhaps this thread would have been a bit more legit
if it was about abandoning hedonistic behavior like you claim to have done.
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Some people have Judism and being born a certain race confused.
Some people claim that being gay isn't a choice while some gay people such as Irvine admit that it can partially be.
Whether a minority of ("ex"-)gay people happen to believe, as Glatze professes to, that it's wholly a choice and a bad one at that, is hardly sufficient to resolve whether state-sanctioned discrimination against gay people ought to be acceptable.

And a study of the history of anti-Semitism in the Western world, including the pre-Hitler variety, would make it problematic at best to argue that it was/is "purely" a question of Jews' religious beliefs, and if only we'd changed those, then everything would've been just ducky. (Ask all the conversos who still wound up murdered, expelled, or denied the rights they were supposedly thus entitled to, or all the nonreligious and atheist Jews murdered by Nazis or Tsarists.) I got the "Christ-killer" taunt many times back where I grew up, and it was crystal-clear to me that it wasn't "purely" a matter of my religious beliefs being objectionable. But this is a tangent, so I'll leave it at that.
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I try and be a good person to all people, and know that we all are not perfect and God knows us better than we know ourselves and will judge us based on the circumstances we found ourselves in, and what we did with those circumstances.
OK, but what are your opinions on the fact that housing and employment discrimination against gay people is legal in 32 states, or that more than a thousand federal rights available to married heterosexuals and their families are categorically denied to longterm gay and lesbian couples and any children they may have?
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I do know for a good portion of my life I was a hedonistic phalander, hurt many many people and know now that lifestyle would be offensible in the sight of God, and after some spiritual experiences, which are too sacred to discuss in a public fourm, I knew it was time for me make a major change in my own lifestyle.
And I did make those changes and glad I did.
What you are describing here sounds like guilt--the awareness that one has wronged other people, and remorse over it. There may or may not be things you've done to other people that would actually qualify as criminal. But it's not my place to say how the state should punish you over whether and how you offended God, nor yours to say so for gay people.
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perhaps this Michael was a hedonist, too

there may be a connection




Irvine and Memphis

live much less hedonistic lives than many people I know

Let's include LA Senator Vittner (whore monger) for one


perhaps this thread would have been a bit more legit
if it was about abandoning hedonistic behavior like you claim to have done.
There is not doubt that Michael was a hedonist.

And I've never judged Irvine, he's kinda like one of my online buddies, so there.

However, please refrain from disparging the senator, how is that making the world a better place?

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Irvine and Memphis

live much less hedonistic lives than many people I know


but we drink alcohol.

*and* coffee.

someone's always going to be more virtuous.
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