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Old 11-10-2005, 09:11 AM   #166
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Is there actually any evidence which suggests that people in these areas have disproportionally large families and that this is responsible for their situation?
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Old 11-10-2005, 09:20 AM   #167
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, because you're dancing on it,
My english is poor..I dont know what you mean.

Babyman ..please explain what is meant by this

I dont find the phrases particularly pleasant.
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Ah so I just read they're only going to deport people with a foreign nationality, that at least answers my legal questions.
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Why would it deport foreign nationals.

Who has started this deportation business
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Why would it deport foreign nationals.

Who has started this deportation business
No, people with a foreign nationality who were arrested.
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No, people with a foreign nationality who were arrested.
why were they arrested ?

why would french govt deport a foreign national if he murders 5 guys.

he has to face the law
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Acrobat--the phrase means basically being asked a direct question, and not giving a direct answer.

I am glad to hear you are not in support of gov't population control (I had to ask, as believe it or not, I know people who are!). I also appreciate your honesty in saying that you haven't thought this issue through fully. Not enough people can admit that. I'd encourage you to think through the way that race and class intersect. I'd also encourage thinking along the lines of what Financeguy mentioned--gov't support for contraception, and I'd add sex ed. Dr. Teeth had an excellent point, too, that your original suggestion of the rioters to "go home and riot there" totally misunderstood the facts at hand, and yes, you may refuse to hear this, but there were racist implications of that misunderstanding in your first assumption that the rioters were not French citizens but were immigrants. You don't necessarily have to be burning crosses or even personally "dislike" people of another race to implicitly support racist policies. I see in further posts though that this misunderstanding (about the nationality of the rioters) seems cleared up and that you seem to feel French citizen rioters of whatever race should face the same law.
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Old 11-10-2005, 10:51 AM   #173
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yes, you may refuse to hear this, but there were racist implications of that misunderstanding
If I will decide to call Britney Spear sexy and if you think thats racist

Its your problem, not mine



I think racism lies in your mind...not mine. The unnecessary and hurried conclusion that people can be racist when actually they are not is the worst form of racism
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Old 11-10-2005, 11:00 AM   #174
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Only the murderers think people are out to kill him.
Only the discriminators think that everyone is out to discriminate
Only the liars think people are always lieing to them
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Sorry hiphop,

I appreciate you sensitivities. I know what you do and how you feel for people on the streets. I really think that is noble & emotional.

But to expect everyone else to do what you do is not fair. People has the right not to donate, has the right not to be compassionate..not to be emotional, not to be spiritual..the right to be practical. the right to live without riots.

I can counter-argue with everything u said but i cant change u just as u cant change me.

You can call me racist - I will be least bothered because I am not a racist . I have respect for what people are and what people do...and I just dont care about color or race or creed or sex or age.

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thats all cool and I´m not calling you racist because I know you aren´t. Sorry if I expressed myself in the wrong way, but hey, no one said you were a racist. I don´t want to change you.

It would be interesting to know how population can be controlled in your opinion, which I respect. What exactly are you advocating, that parents should be more responsible, that the state should step in and allow only one or two kids per family..? I want to know how you would practically deal with the situation - also referring to the immigrants in France, the topic at hand. Should they get less kids when they know their future will not be bright? Or should everyone get less kids?

Oh yeah and after reading the rest of the thread..

I got it now that maybe you didn´t think about the issue in the practical way... so I don´t want to press on that. Since you are against govt control of population I guess you were more like expressing the wish that parents would be more responsible. I think we can all agree on that.
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Forbid - no.

Criticize - absolutely.

Are you seriously suggesting that we no-one can criticize people who have large families that they cannot support?
ok I think you can critisize. But you have to be careful with that because its everyones very own decision how many kids to get. And you have to be extremely careful with other traditions. I think basically the tradition of a big family is a good one. Why not, if one can support it?

If one can´t support it, that´s where the trouble starts. Now there are two ways to deal with this.

The reason they can´t support all the family is poverty.

It is a tradition of the Western World to imply that THEY have to change. THEY dont have enough technology, THEY dont have enough education, THEY dont have enough hospitals. So it is very, very easy to say "hey, blame yourself. get less kids and you´ll be less poor". First of all this is wrong. They will not lose their poverty if they get one or two kids.

In this world, there is enough to eat - every family in the world could have ten children. The world has enough place to plant food for about 15 bil. of people, and currently we´re at 6.4 bil.

Now the second way you can go is to look at the roots of the problem. And the roots are in poverty and, in the case of Africa, in slavery.

It is so arrogant and unfair to say, haha, get less kids, then less will die of hunger. I agree it is practical, especially regarding condoms etc. so there you go, lets not get into the argument what role the Roman Catholic church is playing there, we all agree on that.

To reduce poverty WE have to change our way of dealing with those countries and people, not THEY have to produce less kids.

So, criticism is ok, and sometimes needed. But I would like if we could all see the situation in a more professional way, which includes controlling what exactly we critisize and what this criticism implies.
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Whatever the problem is, it should be solved using

progressive, consistent, liberal, democratic, modern, practical & secular policies

and not driven by

blackmail, threat, emotions, cheap petty politics, and religious reasons.
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Old 11-11-2005, 08:48 AM   #178
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Acrobat Man,

You were clearly offended by what I said. For whatever it's worth, I do not think you're racist. I do, as I said before, think that you originally made a racist assumption (that the rioters were immigrants). I felt and still feel its worth noting, since it seems those kinds of assumptions are a major part of what fueled this fire to begin with.

OK, headed out of town, all!
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Greek anarchists attack French schools, back rioters

ATHENS, Nov 11 (Reuters) - Groups of anarchists broke windows, threw paint and spray-painted slogans at French cultural institutes in Athens and northern Greece in support of rioters in France, Greek police said on Friday.

About 50 people, wearing hoods and helmets and carrying red and black flags, threw stones, spark plugs and bottles filled with paint at the central Athens French Institute on Friday morning, breaking windows and damaging parked vehicles. Police said there were no injuries and the group dispersed quickly after the attack.

Another group attacked the French institute in the northern city of Thessaloniki on Thursday evening, smashing windows while classrooms were filled with language students. They spray-painted "Rioters Are Right" on the front of the building.

"They just appeared out of nowhere, I think about 70 or 80 of them. They smashed everything and we just sat there terrified," one student told reporters.
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:39 PM   #180
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imitations...

scaring thing!!
Especially when you repat awful events!
I wonder how this can come to a "normal" mind!!

Everyone should just condamn this facts!!!

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