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Old 11-16-2004, 10:37 PM   #46
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Yeah, I remember that, it was "Ignore Germany, forgive Russia, punish France."

I think Powell leaving/being pushed was inevitable, but a real, real shame. It says a lot about the Administration. Reality, facts etc be damned. Bringing a range of ideas to the table be damned. Disagree and you're out. Many of the articles I've read on the changeover suggest that there'll be a wholesale clearing out of any moderate voices in the State Dept from top to bottom.

One column I was reading in the newspaper today, the author wrote that he had always said that if Colin Powell ever resigns or is given the boot, consider it the global equivalent of a huge hurricane warning. Rough times ahead.
When Colin Powell origionally signed on, he indicated that it would only be for one term. Colin Powell has worked with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Wolfowitz and others for years prior to this administration in various capacities. Powell new their views on things and new he would be working with them in this administration and did not hesitate to do so. Powell has never been this "moderate dove" that the media describe him as.

It was Powell's views on how to approach Iraq that won out over Cheney's. Cheney did not want to go back to the UN and felt the prior resolutions were enough to justify war. Powell felt everything should be done to get as much support as possible and that a new resolution would help. Powell got over 3 dozen countries and a new resolution to authorize military action against Saddam if Saddam failed to VERIFIABLY DISARM of all WMD.

Powell from begining to end has guided the Presidents policy and this idea that Powell was this handcuffed Democrat/Bush loyalist is rubbish.

Can you name a single Secretary of State that has ever served two full Presidential Terms?
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Old 11-17-2004, 04:35 AM   #47
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Just one thing about racism/sexism and Republicans/Democrats really quickly...

I personally think it would be very insulting to Dr. Rice if I, as a liberal, said, "Well, I don't really like her policies, but I'll support her because she's a black woman." I suspect she would rather be judged on her actions and achievements, rather than her sex and skin color--as I think we all, conservative and liberal alike, would. I know not a whole lot about her personally, but from what I have read, this is what I think she would believe.

Thus, while I admire her smarts and determination and hope she excels in her new job (assuming her appointment is confirmed), I won't turn cartwheels just because she is a black woman.

I think that all came out all right, yes?
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Old 11-17-2004, 04:58 AM   #48
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what are you saying diamond? Madeline Albright was better than Condi? I can agree with that.
given my choices of team A:



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I will opt for Team B any day of the week.

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I agree, pax, it'd be terribly insulting to Condi if we simply supported her for this post because she's black and/or female. She would like to be judged on what she does, not circumstances of her birth that are beyond her control.
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Pax is right. However, I feel that she is given a bad rap by her own people who are almost completely liberal just because she has conservative views. Society as a whole finds it unusual to see a black republican, period. I wish we could advance that, and yes, accept people the way they are. You're right, you should agree with someone's policies/beliefs in order to support them. Should you not?
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However, I feel that she is given a bad rap by her own people
No offense but I've noticed you've said this twice already and I'm a little confused. What do you mean by this, "her own people"?
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No offense but I've noticed you've said this twice already and I'm a little confused. What do you mean by this, "her own people"?
The vast majority of the black community - 89% liberal - does not like Condi Rice. However, I'd like to move on and discuss the content of her character rather than her race.
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However, I'd like to move on and discuss the content of her character rather than her race.
As would I, this issue was not brought up by me. I'm just suggesting that maybe in the future you might want to stay away from such comments. I mean would you refer to "Bush's own people" as all whites? I highly doubt it.
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The vast majority of the black community - 89% liberal - does not like Condi Rice. However, I'd like to move on and discuss the content of her character rather than her race.
For what its worth, it should have probably been stated this way. Non-descriptive phrases like "her people" "them" etc. can be misinterpreted and historically have a negative connotation.
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For what its worth, it should have probably been stated this way. Non-descriptive phrases like "her people" "them" etc. can be misinterpreted and historically have a negative connotation.
Sorry for not being specific enough. I will try to do better in the future.
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Well, I must say, she is quite charming. Quite the cellist as well.
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Considering she's 50, she's got some looks
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Her Olive Oyl hairdo could use an update, though.
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