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Old 04-22-2006, 08:26 PM   #16
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Oh, there are some very conservative Catholics out there, trust me. I personally know of one guy in my parish who's so conservative he calls the New York Times a "communist" newspaper. I almost fell out of my chair at a Bible study class when he said "that communist newspaper". It wasn't exactly the place to say that I voted for Kerry. I'm pretty sure this guy is opposed to contraception. I also know some people who have pretty large families, and I would guess that they disapprove of contraception. Still, they're in the minority of U.S. Catholics.
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They're hoping not to be in the minority for long.
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As a practicing Catholic myself I agree with you. I think it's terrible to forbid something that stops the spread of AIDS! They also help prevent abortion by preventing unplanned pregnancies.
The Catholic idea is that upon every occurrence of sex, the expectation is for a child to be conceived. To think differently is to differ with the church.

Reactionary comments by a Cardinal... and do research the history of these specific Cardinals... is nothing more than a caveat and cave to what has been a traditional teaching of the church.

Unplanned pregnancies are not part of the Catholic vernacular. As a catholic, either revise your statement, or your faith.

To disapprove of contraception... God Forbid such a thing... and suprisingly he does. As much as I hate to identify myself with the populist Catholic Church of America... a far cry from the true Catholic Church seen Italy, Mexico.. and even Africa (though it is far less mature than the US Church), I also despise the thought that I may be sitting next to you on Sunday morning... A thought that I base my weekly visit to reconciliation upon.
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The Catholic idea is that upon every occurrence of sex, the expectation is for a child to be conceived. To think differently is to differ with the church.


So let me get this straight. Sex is only for procreation, nothing else?

So when sex doesn't produce a child, is it a sin?

What about masterbation?

What a strange god...
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So let me get this straight. Sex is only for procreation, nothing else?

So when sex doesn't produce a child, is it a sin?

What about masterbation?

What a strange god...

Masterbation is most definitely frowned upon.....I am still trying to catch up on my childhood penance.....

10,000 hail mary's to go....
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Old 04-23-2006, 11:27 AM   #23
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Now that this guy has been banned (again) I think it's safe to say that damn few Catholics buy that nonsense about sex and procreation. That even includes some priests. Many priests, believe it or not, tell couples they are getting ready to marry to use their conscience with birth control.
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The Catholics in the 3rd world follow these condom/pill rules because they're too poor to have access to birth control in the first place.

The Catholics in the first world don't give a shit about what the Church says about birth control.

So in effect, nobody gives a shit.
that is not quite correct

many of these people really truly belive in the preachings of the catholic church. It is not about affording pills/ condoms or not (there would be no beating ups/ lynchings of people trying to educate about sex and AIDS and giving away condoms if it was a mere money issue). I have several deeply religious catholic classmates from tansania and kongo, who can afford to study in europe. Yet they still absolutely reject condoms. The church's word is law.

Having met several first world catholics who actually DO listen to the church (also young ones) I also believe that your assumpation there is not correct either.
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So let me get this straight. Sex is only for procreation, nothing else?

So when sex doesn't produce a child, is it a sin?

What about masterbation?

What a strange god...
The entire teaching of no condoms/no masturbation hinges on Onan's refusal to fullfill his duty to his brother.

Doesn't make sense to me either.
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the Pope and safe sex

Vatican rumors.. some Cardinals, i.e. Martini, are advocating change of policies.. apparently the Pope is - no, not for allowing - but for excusing the use of condoms.

The thread that Justin started .. continues.. merge it if it needs to be merged
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welcome to the 20th century

they seem to be making progress -
it took them four centuries to pardon Galileo
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i knew someone was gonna say it :p

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welcome to the 20th century

they seem to be making progress -
it took them four centuries to pardon Galileo
weird thing being that this Pope is supposed to be a "conservative hardliner".

I wonder how they will go and what will be next.

Maybe the Vatican is pissed off by religious fundamentalists, people like Falwell and Robertson.. and doesn´t want to fuel the fire since so many people already left church. Or maybe they just wake up. Or this Pope wants to make history...
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The pope's face scares me
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