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Old 08-24-2005, 05:45 PM   #121
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He should be arrested. Why should someone, just because they are an US Christian leader be held to any less behavior than any other extremist.

Many people on the fringes follow him and he may very well have created a danger for Chavez when he comes to the UN this year. The recent conviction of the Olympian/abortion clinic bomber was a follower of this kind of extremism. It would be different if he was a private citizen shooting off his mouth, but he is not. He is a major Bush supporter and advisor on several occasions.

I don't accept his apology especially since he did not say it to his followers on the 700 Club.
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:56 PM   #122
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Does that including forgiving as God forgives us?
Yes it does.. I think..I just did this earlier this evening. It was difficult.
(I'm not God, of course)
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:59 PM   #123
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Yes it does.. I think..I just did this earlier this evening. It was difficult.
(I'm not God, of course)
It is about time for my yearly forgiveness thread in FYM....

I was trying not to start one this year.

Always a bad time of the year for me....

Anyways......

Forgiveness can be work.
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I would have preferred an Assassination of Saddam verses what has occured over the last two years.
You have a point.
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Funny thing. We didn't hear from many of you crying out against a call for an assassination in this thread.
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Funny thing. We didn't hear from many of you crying out against a call for an assassination in this thread.


would this be akin to G. Gordon Liddy telling his listeners that, should federal agents arrive at your house and bang on your door, to make sure you aim for the head because they wear bullet-proof vests but not helmets?

or when DeLay warns "activist" judges that they will one day pay for their rulings?
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Expand the scope if you will, but unfortunately "outrage" is still dress in partisian clothes.

Is the issue "should we criminalize speech advocating assassination of public officials"? I think we can discuss that issue without the left/right, my Christianity/your Christianity, etc. taint to the discussion.
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Funny thing. We didn't hear from many of you crying out against a call for an assassination in this thread.
From reading the thread quite a few of the liberals who contributed to the thread condemned or criticised the relevant section from the broadcast referred to. I certainly didn't see any posts saying Rhodes was right in airing it.
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Old 08-24-2005, 07:20 PM   #129
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From reading the thread quite a few of the liberals who contributed to the thread condemned or criticised the relevant section from the broadcast referred to. I certainly didn't see any posts saying Rhodes was right in airing it.
Remember, silence or mild criticism isn't good enough.

But to the real issue, is this a criminal offense? And how do we deal with the free speech issues in the US?
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But to the real issue, is this a criminal offense? And how do we deal with the free speech issues in the US?

In my view it is a judgement call based on an assessment of the intentions of the person making the alleged threat, and the foreseeable effects. I would not want to see stand up comedians, or the likes of South Park, for example, being forced to curtail freedom of expression.

People like Pat Robertson AND Randi Rhodes have a different degree of responsibility I would feel. Pat Robertson presents himself as a serious person, likewise Rhodes' show is presented as a serious show and not a comedic one.
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In my view it is a judgement called based on an assessment of the intentions of the person making the alleged threat, and the foreseeable effects. I would not want to see stand up comedians, or the likes of South Park, for example, being forced to curtail freedom of expression.

People like Pat Robertson AND Randi Rhodes have a different degree of responsibility I would feel. Pat Robertson presents himself as a serious person, likewise Rhodes' show is presented as a serious show and not a comedic one.
An interesting element to consider. Do you see any tangible threat coming from either person's statement? Not necessarily a gun-toting rally where the person is burned in effigy, but some material affect in the real world?
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An interesting element to consider. Do you see any tangible threat coming from either person's statement? Not necessarily a gun-toting rally where the person is burned in effigy, but some material affect in the real world?

Difficult to judge. It is a possibility in both cases.

Which is the more significant figure? I would suggest Robertson is a lot better known than Randi Rhodes.

Given that both apologised/retracted, I would see no need in either case for any kind of criminal investigation. If they kept doing it, a different matter.
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Well I definately think one was taken a lot more seriously than the other.
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Funny thing. We didn't hear from many of you crying out against a call for an assassination in this thread.
Well, for what it's worth, I certainly don't support that view, either. I don't agree with Bush's policies, but I certainly wouldn't call for his death. That's just stupid.

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Well I definately think one was taken a lot more seriously than the other.
Here or in reality?
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