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Old 08-28-2005, 09:21 AM   #166
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deported to where? guantanamo?

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The other side of the coin is that foreign nationals are generally given less leeway,

Ooooh melon just before you said he should not be prosecuted. And now, suddenly, there is another side of the coin? So you want to say

Robertson has the right to advocate an assassination
The KKK has the right to burn crosses
NeoNazis have the right to party on the streets with Svastikas

-but the poor foreign nationals are not allowed free speech?

Gimme a break. If that´s true, that´s pure racism.
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Old 08-28-2005, 09:29 AM   #167
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Foreign nationals have fewer rights than citizens, and this can be said of every country. If you are spouting anti-government rhetoric in a guest nation--no matter where it is--you are apt to be deported. Period.

Pat Robertson, as U.S. born citizen, cannot be deported, you see, so we have to tolerate him more than, say, someone we can just ship back to their home country.

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Old 08-28-2005, 09:40 AM   #168
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Foreign nationals have fewer rights than citizens, and this can be said of every country. If you are spouting anti-government rhetoric in a guest nation--no matter where it is--you are apt to be deported. Period.

Pat Robertson, as U.S. born citizen, cannot be deported, you see, so we have to tolerate him more than, say, someone we can just ship back to their home country.

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This ain´t anti-government rhetoric since R. ain´t part of the government. Or did you want to say anti-friendsofthegovernment-rhetorics?

Shipping people around.. you must have learned that from the English in times of transatlantic slave trade.

melon: are you the opinion foreign nationals should have the same right (on free speech) like the Americans or are you comfortable with the situation like it is?
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melon: are you the opinion foreign nationals should have the same right (on free speech) like the Americans or are you comfortable with the situation like it is?
Whatever I believe is of no consequence. The chances of me ever having political power are rather nil at this point. I'm merely stating what has happened here in the past. It hasn't happened often, but it has happened.

Just to let you know, the UK has ratcheted up deportations of foreign nationals that spout too much hate speech themselves.

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Whatever I believe is of no consequence. The chances of me ever having political power are rather nil at this point. I'm merely stating what has happened here in the past. It hasn't happened often, but it has happened.

Just to let you know, the UK has ratcheted up deportations of foreign nationals that spout too much hate speech themselves.

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yeah, but I am interested in your opinion, that´s why I ask for it!
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yeah, but I am interested in your opinion, that´s why I ask for it!
I'll say it's a tough call.

For instance, if we have a bunch of Islamic radicals who immigrated here and were advocating "Death to America," it's convenient having deportation as an option to dispose of these potentially dangerous people. After all, if they don't like it here, why did they move here in the first place?

There are no easy answers, and I know we're dealing with cultural differences here too. Europe has a much tougher attitude towards hate speech than the U.S. does, and people like Pat Robertson would probably end up in court if they said that in Europe.

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and what if American terrorists threaten the American homeland?

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Europe has a much tougher attitude towards hate speech than the U.S. does, and people like Pat Robertson would probably end up in court if they said that in Europe.

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Right.
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But like all things, I think it's relative. I'm sure an ethnic Algerian-Frenchman would have a much easier time going to jail for hate speech against whites than if it were the reverse. When people have the book thrown at them for speaking ill of Muslims..anyone...then I'll know it's for real.
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No, I´m not a premium member. Thats why it is very polite to reply right here.

So you reject Robertson´s statements, that´s good to know.

Next question: Since you say you reject them, can one suppose

A) you don´t think the Christian Coalition of America* is a good and righteous representation for Christians (conservative, liberal, evangelists, Catholics, wherever one stands in the wide spectrum)?

Or

B) do you reject the comments of Robertson in that specific case and would rather think that generally, the Christian Coalition of America is an organization that represents the Bible´s righteous teachings?

*the organization of Robertson, which is described as being the "largest and most active conservative grassroots political organization in America" on its website
Thank you for waiting until I returned from vacation for a reply.

As for your questions, I can honestly say I am unfamiliar with the positions of the Christian Coalition of America. It may come as a surprise to many, but I don't look to conservative, Christian or conservative Christian organizations for my news/editorial opinions.

Given that, I would not say that the Christian Coalition of America is a good representation of Christianity. So, for the instant case, I would say Robertsons political comments was nonsensical and foolish.

I would point out that his comment was not a religious one, in that there was no "Jesus wants Chavez killed" or any other such nonsense. From my perspective, Robertson is a politician, and not a very good one at that.
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I would point out that his comment was not a religious one, in that there was no "Jesus wants Chavez killed" or any other such nonsense. From my perspective, Robertson is a politician, and not a very good one at that.
You do realize this was on the Christian Broadcast Network

where they recieve tax exempt status as a
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Given that, I would not say that the Christian Coalition of America is a good representation of Christianity.
As a Christian, I feel relieved that we do agree on this.
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You do realize this was on the Christian Broadcast Network

where they recieve tax exempt status as a
religious organization
Perhaps the exempt status should be reviewed again.
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of course they should

but, we all know it will never happen


and they're pretty busy right now going after the NAACP
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I would point out that his comment was not a religious one, in that there was no "Jesus wants Chavez killed" or any other such nonsense. From my perspective, Robertson is a politician, and not a very good one at that. [/B]
WB, NBC! Hope you had a nice vacation!

I have one issue to raise with the statement above. I totally agree that Robertson's aims have everything to do with power politics and all to do with the gospel. But we can't overlook that he makes his political claims in the name of our Lord. We absolutely MUST speak up against it.
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Just going to agree with Sherry here-yes, 'tis good to see you around again, nbcrusader . Also hope all went well with your vacation .

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