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Old 09-13-2004, 10:06 AM   #76
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It seems to me that the rights of a small group of responsible people are being valued more than the lives of many.
Interesting point when you consider that 1,370,000 abortions occur annually in the U.S.
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So.. tell me... you are against abortion and pro assault weapons?
(Btw. 1,370,000 abortions dosn't mean "only" 2,740,000 parents who were pro abortion in the US - but don't turn this thread into an abortiton thread)
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It seems to me that the rights of a small group of responsible people are being valued more than the lives of many.
Wouldn't that be catering to special interests?

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Too bad that the majority of Americans are in favor of extending the restrictions:
http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycent...s_09-06_pr.pdf
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0910/p01s01-uspo.html
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Also, if we ban automobiles, we effectively reduce traffic accidents.
I bet automobile manufacturers would be the first to complain about a lack of cause and effect relationship.
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Also, if we ban automobiles, we effectively reduce traffic accidents.

The difference between Automobiles and Assault Weapons is:
Everyone here can explain why it's not only fun to drive but necessary for daily life.
I'd understand it if Iraq would legalize Assault Weapons so that their Civilists can self-defend against various attacks but...
...i think that there's not so much violence in the US so that there is a NEED for Assault Weapons (or do we use Assault Weapons for hunting?)

Let's face it if you take a look how usefull Assault Weapons are for the US citizens and compare it to the danger, Assault Weapons make a pretty bad shape compared to cars
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Also, if we ban automobiles, we effectively reduce traffic accidents.

But automobiles were not designed specifically to kill. You can't dispute an automatic machine gun's true purpose.
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What are you talking about BAW, assault weapons are obviously designed to "collect".
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But automobiles were not designed specifically to kill. You can't dispute an automatic machine gun's true purpose.
You could argue that all guns are "designed" to kill. We can still have them. I'm not sure this creates an adequate distinction for purposes of banning.
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Maybe not but it most countries it is a reason for a firm legislation.
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So.. tell me... you are against abortion and pro assault weapons?
(Btw. 1,370,000 abortions dosn't mean "only" 2,740,000 parents who were pro abortion in the US - but don't turn this thread into an abortiton thread)
Actually, I've never said I was pro-assault weapons. I am simply questioning the basis on which we make the decision to ban. The principle behind the arguments break down.
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Also, if we ban automobiles, we effectively reduce traffic accidents.

The difference between Automobiles and Assault Weapons is:
Everyone here can explain why it's not only fun to drive but necessary for daily life.
I'd understand it if Iraq would legalize Assault Weapons so that their Civilists can self-defend against various attacks but...
...i think that there's not so much violence in the US so that there is a NEED for Assault Weapons (or do we use Assault Weapons for hunting?)

Let's face it if you take a look how usefull Assault Weapons are for the US citizens and compare it to the danger, Assault Weapons make a pretty bad shape compared to cars
Funny, we lived quite successfully before we invented automobiles, so necessity is questionable.

Instead of regulating and enforcing lawful and unlawful use, we throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I am suggesting that we create a principle on regulating things that can be used to harm others. Banning items on an item by item basis violates the concept of liberty.
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Well i don't think that the banning of Nuclear- or Biological weapons for households violates the concept of liberty.
I think that the personal liberty has to be restricted where it harms many other and has no use for society in general.

Also while i see attemts to make a car safer (even for the persons who aren't inside the car) weapons are designed to kill and Assault weapons are pretty effective.

Our society would simply colapse if there was a "car Ban" for a few years. Economy would definetly colapse.
Did anything close to this hapen when the Assault Weapons were banned for years? - no

So this might be one reason why there isn't a national outcry when hundreds of people are killed by car accidents. But of course there will be an outcry when the next amok-run will be done with a highly effective Heckler & Koch 36 to pump 750 rounds per minute into a schoolyard.
Why? - Because it was preventible

The only reason i can see that stuff like that is sold is valuing profit over human lifes
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Auto deaths were over 17,000 in the US in 2002. Auto related injuries were around 3 million. But that's not the point.

There was never a right to own nuclear or biological weapons. So, we didn't have a right to own some precursor to them, and technology advanced.

It would be hard to argue that the 2nd amendment right only applies to flintlock or other such period weapons.

Another issue - should rights be created or limited based on public outcry? Does might (many voices) make right?
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Okay, what could someone do with an assault weapon besides kill someone or frame it behind glass to look at it?
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Okay, what could someone do with an assault weapon besides kill someone or frame it behind glass to look at it?
Use it on a firing range. I've done it (a long time ago). It was fun. It would be like any other endorphine-inducing activity.


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