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Old 07-01-2005, 04:26 PM   #31
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Except people don't bring their cars into enclosed areas, and then turn them on with the exhaust only a foot or so away from other people.

brilliant
whose to judge whether or not somebody is joy riding or not anyway?
At least theyre not pushing the thing in a town in colorado
you cant even smoke outside
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Old 07-01-2005, 04:30 PM   #32
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Except people don't bring their cars into enclosed areas, and then turn them on with the exhaust only a foot or so away from other people.
doesn´t make a difference at all. i live at a street where the cars pass by. when i open my window in summer all the dust gets in.

and if you start to compare a cigarette one foot away to a car one foot away, the pollution caused by the car will be bigger. a car in 20 meters distance stinks and pollutes my lung, a smoker does not. so, really, i don´t see your point.

if you all are really so much concerened about your health, why don´t you just stop to drive around when it´s not absolutely necessary? use public transport, create a car-free city, then we can talk about smoke-free public space.
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thats not an option everywhere though. some people have to commute, some people have to tote their kids around places, some people have a lot of groceries to carry home. Some people drive to visit their families
Some people get their kids on the weekend
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whose to judge whether or not somebody is joy riding or not anyway?
well then, whose to judge smokers?

we are always discredited because its so fucking en vogue.

if you (not personally speaking, just as an example) go to the next cinema by car because you want to have a cozy nice drive there with your bf, whereas you could also go with public transport, you are polluting me, dear - whereas i don´t pollute you, because i don´t drive.

why is everyone so eager on driving around and make me ill of cancer?
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Old 07-01-2005, 04:41 PM   #35
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Im sure theyre not pointing their exhaust pipes directly at you
I dont think smokers should subject non smokers to their smoke in buildings, but they should be free to do it outside

As a person who walks when its close enough to walk to, I see where youre coming from, but dont take it so personally that people drive cars
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thats not an option everywhere though. some people have to commute, some people have to tote their kids around places, some people have a lot of groceries to carry home. Some people drive to visit their families
Some people get their kids on the weekend
in the country, i agree. but we´re talking about cities. in a city with well-maintained public transport you don´t need a car at all. if you don´t have good public transport, it can be built. if you need a car to go to work, why don´t you take three of your colleagues with you? 90%of the people who i see driving do so alone, in a car built for 5 persons.

apart from that, i didn´t say it is an option anywhere. ambulance, police, firemen, shops, etc. will need cars, trucks and else. but i am talking about the roughly 70% of drives that could be avoided.
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in the country, i agree. but we´re talking about cities. in a city with well-maintained public transport you don´t need a car at all. if you don´t have good public transport, it can be built. if you need a car to go to work, why don´t you take three of your colleagues with you? 90%of the people who i see driving do so alone, in a car built for 5 persons.

apart from that, i didn´t say it is an option anywhere. ambulance, police, firemen, shops, etc. will need cars, trucks and else. but i am talking about the roughly 70% of drives that could be avoided.
I get really irritated at seeing one person in an SUV
thats so wasteful
Ive never actually lived in a place with public transport, but if I did I would take it over driving,
I hate parking
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Im sure theyre not pointing their exhaust pipes directly at you
I dont think smokers should subject non smokers to their smoke in buildings, but they should be free to do it outside

As a person who walks when its close enough to walk to, I see where youre coming from, but dont take it so personally that people drive cars
whether they exhaust pipes directly at me or not is irrelevant. it depends on what you breathe in. i also think (normal) smokers will not intentionally wave their cigs at you if you ask them to.

the title of this thread is smoke free city, which means banning smoking. i am very much for smoke reduction at work (a smoker´s room is the best alternative, compared to sending the people out into the rain to smoke), i also am for smoke free areas in restaurants bars etc., no problem.

generally, i don´t take it personal at all that people drive. but when a driver wlaks up to me talking about smoker and non smoker issues, the only thing i can say is get a fucking perspective. you pollute me day and night, to a much larger extent than i do pollute you, and you wanna tell me where i can stick my cigarette? i would be laughing if it was funny.
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I get really irritated at seeing one person in an SUV
thats so wasteful
Ive never actually lived in a place with public transport, but if I did I would take it over driving,
I hate parking
yeah

see, you´re a nice girl. you see my point of view
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Im such an FYM dork. I just like making friends which is terrible for debating
Thanks for tolerating me while I try and learn a thing or two about politics
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Im such an FYM dork. I just like making friends which is terrible for debating
Thanks for tolerating me while I try and learn a thing or two about politics
you are an innocent ray of light in the dark halls of intellectuality poops and academic arrogance.

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I feel like I have nothing intelligent to say to most of the people in here
But at least I have something different to say sometimes

"intellectuality poops and academic arrogance" that cracked me up
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I think it's good for one reason. When someone smokes in public, it doesn't just affect the smoker. No, instead, their smoke spreads everywhere, and not only does it possibly cause cancer, but some people are genuinely allergic to it.
I can't handle cigarette smoke; it gives me breathing problems and headaches. And no matter how carefully you plan a restaurant, the smoke from the smoking section always drifts over to the nonsmoking section, ruining both the taste of the food and the atmosphere (in all senses of the word).

Smoking outside is okay; the wind will eventually dissipate it. But inside, it just sits there, stinking up the air and settling into the drapes/furniture/carpet/other people's clothes and hair.
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