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Old 03-23-2003, 02:23 PM   #31
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I thought the luxury of protesting and speaking your mind was acquired in the Constitution.
who do you think protects the freedoms of the constitution? the constitution would be nothing more than a piece of paper if people weren't willing to fight to protect it.
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because they're putting their lives on the line for your freedom. we wouldn't have the luxury of protesting or speaking our minds if they weren't making the ultimate sacrifice.
I think this is blurring the lines.

How is the action in Iraq protecting our freedom?
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while I agree that they have the right to peaceful protest, there are those who incite the cops by spitting on them and curse and scream and purposely stir the crowd into a battle against the police.
that doesn't help anyone, the cops are just there to do their jobs.
Not all 100,000 were doing this. And be careful of the "just doing their jobs" mindset.

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who do you think protects the freedoms of the constitution? the constitution would be nothing more than a piece of paper if people weren't willing to fight to protect it.
In most peaceful countries around the world freedoms of constitution don't need to be protected, as they're not threatened in everyday life, assuming normal cirumstances.
If necessary, law and law enforcement (police) are used for that.

That fight you're talking about would be the Independence war?
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While I don't know exactly what went on in NYC (so there is a chance I'm talking out of my ass), cops have been known in the past to make sure that protesters which with they disagree have a hard time expressing themselves peacefully. (Think back to anti-Klan marches.) So let's wait and see what really happened, and how many of the 100,000 were misbehaving.
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screw you if you think you can tell me to keep quiet. screw all of you who dont want to hear what i say, ill say it with the protesters, and we'll all say it as loud as we can. fortunately for the whitehouse, they appear to have soundproof walls.

this topic is rediculous. absolutely horrible. and the fact so many of you dont appear to be outraged by this is disheartening.
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who do you think protects the freedoms of the constitution? the constitution would be nothing more than a piece of paper if people weren't willing to fight to protect it.
And it would be nothing more than a piece of paper if the protesters in NYC weren't allowed to speak their piece.
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I agree too. Though I do pray for the safety of the troops, I do not support them.
That's exactly how I feel.

And I agree with Martha. I'm completely against violent protest, but I'm glad that people are still exercising their right to protest this war.
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The troops signed up for the army in the knowledge that they may have to kill people in their job. If i dont agree with the concept of war (especially wars of agression) how can i support those who make it possible and actively take part/ promote war?

I do not understand people who tell me to support these troops. They are not protecting me in Iraq!!!

Also, i protest because protesting is a right of people in a democracy. We are in a democracy and we must therefore use this right If we dont use it then what is the point in being in a democracy?
How can those who are most in favour of our democracy's at the same time criticise people for making use of our freedom? Its hypocritical and ignorant.

Finally, just because i am against this war doesnt mean that i dont recognise and dispise the human rights violations that go on in Iraq AND GUATANAMO BAY. We cannot forget that Iraq is not alone in committing human rights violations. If we hated Saddam Hussein and knew his actions 12 years ago, why didnt we liberate the Iraqi people then?
(because Bush snr wanted a quick short war as an election winning action - thats why)
Lets not kid ourselves that this war is about human rights.

I'll shut up now!!!
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Screaming Flower: what is your opinion on things like Patriot act, then? Or how certain rights were quickly weakened since 911 in US?
BTW, what does Iraq war have to do with your constitutional rights anyway?

ps: not a single US soldier thought for my freedom. In WW II our very own Partisan army liberated Slovenia, and (in my lifetime) in 1991 our very own Territorial defense (basically an army, only with a different name) succesfully defended us from Yugoslav army. (after US, among many other states, condemned any unilateral action on our part - meaning our indepence declared!)
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Screaming Flower: what is your opinion on things like Patriot act, then? Or how certain rights were quickly weakened since 911 in US?
BTW, what does Iraq war have to do with your constitutional rights anyway?
The Patriot Act should never have been. You are correct that it weakens the Constitution and just as importantly, a major part of the Constitution called the Bill of Rights. Big mistake to allow that through. Bigger mistake if the rumors are true that there is a so called "enhancement" of the Patriot Act and they allow that through.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: IMO, Anti-war protestors should keep quiet..

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Isn't this self-contradictory? If you don't agree with what they're doing, how can you support them?
No, it's not contradictory at all. You don't have to be for war to support the troops. "Supporting the troops" could be as simple as praying for them. People who are out there spitting on cops and causing traffic jams on the streets and highways are despicable. I'm sorry to have to say that but it's true. If you were having a heart attack and an ambulance needed to get through but were delayed because the road to your house was blocked, you'd be in bad shape. But of course, they don't think about that. To many of them, it's all about doing the "cool" thing, and the "cool" thing right now is to protest.

"Hey Bob", says Sue, "Wanna cut Economics today and go protest?"

"What are we protesting?"

"The War, silly".

"Okay, that's cool. It beats going to class. Plus, it will really tick off my Republican mom."
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Well when you put it that way, I think I understand what you mean. I guess we all agree anti-war people are just as eager to see troops return safely as the pro-war people.

I agree it's a shame peace protesters do things like that, instead of peacefully voicing their protest. And I guess there will always be those who think it's just "cool" to be there. (from what I understand, all kinds of generations are represented - from youth to old people)
Having said that, I don't think ALL of them should be blamed for it.
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How do you know they don't support the troops, did you ask them? I bet the majority of them do support our troops and want them HOME where they belong.
ok, i agree with what you said... i do know they support in their hearts somewhere but i meant to say that i think these people should stop protesting the war less, switch gears, an focus more on supporting our troops more in the open.

seems like they go out of hand with the anti-war part but forget to mention our troops in the open, sometimes. especially with that flag burning incident in oregon 2 days ago, i think.
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ok, i agree with what you said... i do know they support in their hearts somewhere but i meant to say that i think these people should stop protesting the war less, switch gears, an focus more on supporting our troops more in the open.

seems like they go out of hand with the anti-war part but forget to mention our troops in the open, sometimes. especially with that flag burning incident in oregon 2 days ago, i think.
I agree, what happened in Oregon and other places was very wrong. I feel that that is a relatively few people doing that, and that most protesters do support the troops. I agree that they should SHOW that though.
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