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Old 03-27-2003, 03:42 PM   #136
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thanks for your very thoughtful response to the issue of protesters causing havoc in the cities... and btw, bush is not a junior... different middle name.
Please - sarcasm is apparently lost on you. I am well aware Dubya is not a jr and as long as they aren't hurting anyone they can protest however they want. Do you have this big a fit when the president or other public figure come to town and sends all the traffic into further chaos? Or is it just because these people don't agree with you?
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Please - sarcasm is apparently lost on you. I am well aware Dubya is not a jr and as long as they aren't hurting anyone they can protest however they want. Do you have this big a fit when the president or other public figure come to town and sends all the traffic into further chaos? Or is it just because these people don't agree with you?
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Old 03-27-2003, 07:23 PM   #138
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Everybody has a right to express their opinions -- but please don't shout it in my face or block my way in the streets -- then you are abusing my right. Every right carries with it the need to handle it with consideration and care.
Your post is thoughtful, to the point, brief, polite, and considerate.

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lol martha.

welcome to the chaos known as FYM smokey.
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For the anti-war crowd-

Al-Qaeda fighting with Iraqis, British claim
March 28 2003, 9:41 AM




Near Basra, Iraq: British military interrogators claim captured Iraqi soldiers have told them that al-Qaeda terrorists are fighting on the side of Saddam Hussein's forces against allied troops near Basra.

At least a dozen members of Osama bin Laden's network are in the town of Az Zubayr where they are coordinating grenade and gun attacks on coalition positions, according to the Iraqi prisoners of war.

It was believed that last night (Thursday) British forces were preparing a military strike on the base where the al-Qaeda unit was understood to be holed up.

A senior British military source inside Iraq said: "The information we have received from PoWs today is that an al-Qaeda cell may be operating in Az Zubayr. There are possibly around a dozen of them and that is obviously a matter of concern to us."

If terrorists are found, it would be the first proof of a direct link between Saddam's regime and Osama bin Laden, the mastermind of the 11 September attacks on New York and Washington.

The connection would give credibility to the argument that Tony Blair used to justify war against Saddam - a "nightmare scenario" in which he might eventually pass weapons of mass destruction to terrorists.

On Wednesday Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, said the coalition had solid evidence that senior al-Qaeda operatives have visited Baghdad in the past.

Rumsfeld said Saddam had an "evolving" relationship with the terror network.

The presence of fanatical al-Qaeda terrorists would go some way to explaining the continued resistance to US and British forces in southern Iraq, an area dominated by Shi'ite Muslims traditionally hostile to

Saddam's regime.

Heavy fighting continued around the besieged city of Basra yesterday after British forces destroyed 14 Iraqi tanks which had struck out towards the Al Faw peninsula.

Military commanders have decided against launching an attack on Basra because of fears the operation would result in a Stalingrad-style street battle.

It is estimated the Iraqi military forces in the area have been reduced to 30 per cent fighting strength but have now embedded themselves within civilian buildings in the city.

Armed raids have destroyed transmitters and taken state radio and television off the air in Basra and effectively cutting off its communications with Baghdad.

British tanks from the 7th Armoured Brigade, the Desert Rats, could be sent into Basra if there is a sudden civilian uprising against Saddam's forces.

Last night, forces around the city heard loud explosions as coalition helicopter gunships were sent into the area.

This is a pooled despatch from Gethin Chamberlain of The Scotsman.
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More for the anti-war bunch..

Dance little protesters dance-

Good job guys-

HOMELAND INSECURITY
Al-Qaida to use anti-war rallies as cover?
FBI bulletin warns of security-surveillance tactics

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Posted: March 27, 2003
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By Paul Sperry
2003 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON Al-Qaida operatives may mix in with anti-war demonstrators here and in other major cities to secretly monitor security procedures around landmarks and buildings, the FBI warns.

According to an FBI bulletin obtained by WorldNetDaily, al-Qaida terrorists plotting U.S. attacks may employ "sophisticated surveillance techniques" to avoid detection by law enforcement.

These techniques may include using "video recorders" and posing as "demonstrators" to gather information about security patterns and procedures at potential terrorist targets, says the bulletin, recently distributed to law enforcement and military security personnel by the FBI Washington Field Office as part of the Awareness of National Security Issues and Response, or ANSIR, program.

"Al-Qaida operations have been characterized by meticulous planning, a focus on inflicting mass casualties, and multiple, simultaneous suicide attacks," the FBI alert says. "Operatives are highly trained in basic and sophisticated surveillance techniques, posing challenges for counterterrorism and security forces in identifying terrorist surveillance."

As the nation remains on high alert for terrorism, the bulletin advises the security community to be on the look-out for the following activities, which may indicate al-Qaida terrorist surveillance:


"Unusual or prolonged interest in security measures or personnel, entry points and access controls, or perimeter barriers such as fences or walls."

"Unusual behavior such as staring or quickly looking away from personnel or vehicles entering or leaving designated facilities or parking areas."

"Observation of security reaction drills or procedures."

"Increase in anonymous telephone or e-mail threats to facilities in conjunction with suspected surveillance incidents indicating possible surveillance of threat-reaction procedures."

"Foot surveillance involving two or three individuals working together."

"Mobile surveillance using bicycles, scooters, motorcycles, cars, trucks, sport-utility vehicles, boats or small aircraft."

"Prolonged static surveillance using operatives disguised as panhandlers, demonstrators, shoe shiners, food or flower vendors, news agents, or street sweepers not previously seen in the area."

"Discreet use of still cameras, video recorders or note-taking at non-tourist-type locations."

"Use of multiple sets of clothing, identifications, or the use of sketching materials (paper, pencils, etc.)."

"Questioning of security or facility personnel."
An FBI counterterrorism agent here says that although the bureau is not aware of any past cases of al-Qaida agents disguising themselves as demonstrators to gauge police response, they may use large-scale anti-war rallies here and in New York as cover for such surveillance activities.

The New York Police Department recently dispatched heavily armed SWAT teams to patrol buildings and tourist areas at random times to throw off al-Qaida operatives casing such sites and monitoring security patterns there.

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Old 03-27-2003, 11:24 PM   #144
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Perhaps one of the most dangerous and destructive ideas I've seen in a long, long while is this idea that al Qaeda, terrorism, or whatever else can be an excuse to fundamentally topple our civil liberties; specifically in this case an American Sovereign's right to peaceful protest.

If, in the name of safety and 'security' we hand over our civil liberties, then we have fundamentally lost the very thing that is so precious to us- the very thing we have fought and are fighting for.

What kind of life would we lead, then? How can this type of thinking not eventually lead to a democratic police state? The problem? Terrorism! The solution? Unfortunately, it's becoming more and more clear that the 'solution' is looking like a police state. It is not the America the Constituion represents.

The article entitled HOMELAND SECURITY is such propaganda of the sickest kind. The FBI has been putting out crap like this for a long time. Yes, there are indeed real concerns there, but I wonder just how far they are willing to go.
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Old 03-27-2003, 11:25 PM   #145
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You said it right on the money DB9. But complacency is a two-way street. You're bound to get run over if you don't also look the other way.
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well last time i checked ..umm i think our country was pretty vulernable until 9-11-01.
the country is a bit safer now...

i consider it a victory everytime a terrorist is
nabbed
everytime a plot is thwarted and
everytime were able to sleep peacefully thru the night.

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While our nation is vulernable please dont endanger our nation's security by demanding your First Amendment Rights..

Go fight for the victim's of terrorists actions..
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Old 03-28-2003, 01:31 PM   #149
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well last time i checked ..umm i think our country was pretty vulernable until 9-11-01.
the country is a bit safer now...

While our nation is vulernable please dont endanger our nation's security by demanding your First Amendment Rights..

We are not safer. In fact, I bet we've created a lot more potential threats than ever.

And to ask us to give up our rights for any reason is like asking us to sit at the back of the bus.

Just because we have started a war it doesn't make it okay for the government to scare us into voting funding away from children, schools and other more important programs and to allow government to wear away at our rights.

It is even more appalling that some of us are wiling to do it and are asking others to follow suit.

Once we give away our rights then it might take no effort to give away our freedoms and it may take more than simple protesting to get them back.
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so will complacency.....

Complacency is sitting back while the Bu**sh** administration takes money from our schools. How is this making our country safer?

Complacency is sitting back while they pass laws that allow people to be sentenced without trial. You might be next.

Complacency is sitting back while your prez tries to sneak in as much of his religious beliefs that he can.

Complacency is following a man into war, which the UN couldn't back, when the reasoning was never concrete, and to watch him destroy foreign relationships.

So yeah you're right complaceny, will kill you.
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