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Old 08-15-2006, 08:22 PM   #76
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No video access at work. Just dealing with the limited transcripts.
Well he points directly to him and says, "So welcome, let's give a welcome to macaca here, welcome to America".
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Old 08-15-2006, 08:45 PM   #77
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Really?

Isn't the offense defined by the hearer?

Or do we have an objective standard?
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Old 08-15-2006, 08:51 PM   #78
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I though he was speaking about Webb's actions and pointing to Sidarth as one of his operatives.

I think the discussion is interesting in how the elements are analyzed, both independently, as as support for a conclusion.
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Old 08-15-2006, 09:05 PM   #79
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I though he was speaking about Webb's actions and pointing to Sidarth as one of his operatives.
I could possibly agree with you if it hadn't been for Allen addressing him directly with the word in question, ONCE AGAIN.

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"So welcome, let's give a welcome to macaca here, welcome to America".
I don't see this as being used in the Allen against hollywood context...
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:20 PM   #80
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FYI my dad knew what macaca meant and was very taken aback when I told him about it.


Then again my dad seems to have knowledge of the most random things


I don't understand the disconnect people are having between Allen using a racial slur and him being a racist
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Old 08-15-2006, 10:43 PM   #81
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What did your dad think it meant? I'm curious because I've seen "macaque" used on white supremacist websites as a crude synonym for "African-American," but "macaca" I was familiar with only from Southern France (ironically, I just learned that word when I was teaching there earlier this summer). Did he think of it as a general derogatory term for nonwhite people, or as something more specific?
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I think he knew it as a derogatory term for non white people.
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Living the last thirty years in the south, you'd think he would have heard just about every negative term for someone of color.
Yolland said she had heard the term in Southern France since it is a French slur, Allen speaks French.
It's kind of sad that he is like this because his sister seems like a really nice person and his father was such a great man.

Here's a link to the Wikipedia article on him which includes this incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...ca_Controversy
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Old 08-15-2006, 11:33 PM   #84
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I don't understand the disconnect people are having between Allen using a racial slur and him being a racist
Maybe it's the double standard.
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"In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking."
--Joe Biden 2006
Hillary Clinton introduced a quote from Gandhi by saying, "He ran a gas station down in St. Louis."
--Hillary Clinton 2004
No...I take that back. There's no comparison, neither senator Clinton or Biden wore a confederate flag label in their yearbook picture.
So it must be that the tactic of smearing Republicans as 'racists" or "nazis" in lieu of providing the country with a viable political alternative is wearing a bit thin.
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He uses the word three times in the video.
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Maybe it's the double standard.

No...I take that back. There's no comparison, neither senator Clinton or Biden wore a confederate flag label in their yearbook picture.
So it must be that the tactic of smearing Republicans as 'racists" or "nazis" in lieu of providing the country with a viable political alternative is wearing a bit thin.
The Clinton quote was already discussed in here.

You've brought these quotes up twice, what's your point?
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The Clinton quote was already discussed in here.

You've brought these quotes up twice, what's your point?
That this is manufactured, selective and politically motivated outrage.
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That this is manufactured, selective and politically motivated outrage.
Manufactured...

Or maybe you just can't discuss the transcript and video at hand.
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Indy what is your take on the quotes from Clinton and Biden?
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Manufactured...
Yes, the outrage is manufactured.
Selective.
And politically motivated.

George Allen said a stupid thing. So did Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton. But none of them are racists.
Prove me wrong.
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