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Old 08-17-2006, 05:14 PM   #166
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So, if this is a slur in France (or some other country), it doesn't matter where it is uttered, it is a slur period?
If I were to go to France and utter a racial slur in English that isn't common in France, I'd still be a racist. I'd be a racist who thought he was getting away with something, but damnitt what if someone did know what I saying?

I guess I would have to make up lies to cover up the truth.

Or let's turn it around, what if I go to France and they teach me the French equivalent. Do I get away with spouting off the slur when I come back to the States?
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YES...YES...YES. Exactly my point. Racism is ugly and oppressive and has very real consequences for those whom suffer from it. So ugly in fact, that I would never accuse someone or some institution of spreading or fostering it...unless I damn well meant it and could back the charge up. Others, it would seem, do not share my criterion.

If you're really concerned about racism, which I've no doubt you are, then you should stand WITH ME to prevent the stamp of "racist" from being used cavalierly, unfairly, slanderously or for purely political purposes. To do otherwise is to risk diminishing the actual meaning of the word.

At which point I should apologize for the crossbreeding of threads. Where should this discussion continue?
And I understand this point. BUT this doesn't mean to ignore the language of racism, which is in fact what you are saying to do.

Ignoring the language will do nothing but allow more to get away with it.
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If one only chooses to be offended by language and you can't really be hurt by language, then racism which IS hurtful, can't exist within language.

The only way you're analogy would work is if I would have said, I see no problem in beating your spouse.
No one has even remotely suggest that there is "no problem" with racism.

If you want to accuse politicians of it, and let them "prove you wrong" that's fine. Don't bring that game in here with other forum members.
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Yes, every other November for the past few decades Republicans have routinely beaten and in Ronald Reagan's case, thrashed, Democrats.
Every other November? I think your counting may be flawed...
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If I were to go to France and utter a racial slur in English that isn't common in France, I'd still be a racist. I'd be a racist who thought he was getting away with something, but damnitt what if someone did know what I saying?

I guess I would have to make up lies to cover up the truth.

Or let's turn it around, what if I go to France and they teach me the French equivalent. Do I get away with spouting off the slur when I come back to the States?

I agree. If Allen were French, and used a French slur here, it would still be racist.
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No one has even remotely suggest that there is "no problem" with racism.

If you want to accuse politicians of it, and let them "prove you wrong" that's fine. Don't bring that game in here with other forum members.
But some have said there's no problem with the language or the words, and that the only way your previous analogy would work.

This is no game. I want people to be able to back up something they said, and so far I haven't seen anyone back up "words can't hurt" or "choose to be offended".
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I agree. If Allen were French, and used a French slur here, it would still be racist.
But you don't agree with other scenario I gave?

And like many have stated he does have a very suspicious background link to this slur, which hardly seems coincidence.
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Or let's turn it around, what if I go to France and they teach me the French equivalent. Do I get away with spouting off the slur when I come back to the States?
Tiens, mange la merde.
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Every other November? I think your counting may be flawed...
Republicans have held the House since 94. Elections are every 2 years.
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Tiens, mange la merde.
Eat shit?

It's been awhile...
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Republicans have held the House since 94. Elections are every 2 years.
Gotcha, I was thinking Presidential...

You're right.
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Eat shit?

It's been awhile...
Oui et je regrette.

Just proving a point. I said something in a language you don't even speak. Even if you think you know the meaning...would you always know the intent? Too be sure, sometimes there's no doubt, but always? Which ties in with blasphemy. If you hear something you consider blasphemous...is that always, 100% of the time, the intent of the source?
No, of coarse not.
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How is everyone missing the biggest part of this story?

GEORGE ALLEN SPEAKS FRENCH!!!
Who is the REAL AMERICAN?
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Who is the REAL AMERICAN?
hahahahhahaha dude I was drinking a frappuchino and almost spit out my drink reading that.
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But some have said there's no problem with the language or the words, and that the only way your previous analogy would work.

This is no game. I want people to be able to back up something they said, and so far I haven't seen anyone back up "words can't hurt" or "choose to be offended".
What's to "back up" about people "choosing to be offended". The same inference has been made many time in FYM.

People can "choose to be offended" when they want to force a response or change the focus of a campaign.

NOW was offended by allegations (sexual misconduct) against Bob Packwood, but did share the same response to allegations against Bill Clinton.

It's politics. It happens.
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