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Old 07-26-2006, 03:42 PM   #361
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Well the new armies of Arab nations do not wear camo they wear street cloths to blend in with the rest of society. With so many nukes, Chemical and biological weapons in this world, The West and Islam could lead to WW3.

Answer me this for those who appose israel but are in support of Hizbolla? Why do you support them when they are in a an unfair fight that they started by invading and kidnapping two israeli soldiers?
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Answer me this for those who appose israel but are in support of Hizbolla? Why do you support them when they are in a an unfair fight that they started by invading and kidnapping two israeli soldiers?

Please show who in this place supports Hezbollah? Obviously, you are blinded by your inability to see a criticism of Israeli response upon civilian infrastructure and people as just that criticism of Israel, not support of Hezbollah. No one opposes Israel, they have the right to defend themselves within reason. The kidnapping of two soldiers and the blowing up of a tank and deaths of the other soldiers is the initial reason why Israel has elevated the intensity of their attacks. Now they have lost even more lives, Lebanon has lost more lives, and when this ends after a few more weeks of attacks according to IDF officials, will anything have changed? Will Israel be any safer from terrorist attacks from Hezbollah or Hamas, nope. Will Lebanon be fractured and become another country requiring international assistance after spending years recovering from a decade of civil war and occupation, yep.
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So you put primary blame on Israel. I feel sorry for the Israelies, because there so hated by most of the middle east and people like you since you think all israelies do is KILL KILL KILL. I never said drop a nuke and would not recommend it. Your real solution would be to go up them an say Brother no more war give me a HUG.
I don´t feel sorry for Israel as a nation. I feel sorry for Israelis who get caught up in this ugly fight. If I was born there, I would have moved out long ago.

I have been discussing with Israelis about their methods and was shocked by their extremist responses. Many Israelis (not all, I suppose, but surely a good percentage) seem to think they can just take "what belongs to them". Then they go off to explain you about how the situation was hundreds or thousands of years ago and how they have a right on their promised land. While they bicker, they will quote all the bad activities of their neighboring nations while not mentioning their own atrocities, and if you mention them it was all "defense", or "response". You´d really think they would have learned something in their rich and often sad history. But they treat minority groups cruelly. The Palestinian people for example did nothing at all against the Israelis. Note that I´m saying the people. Not the leaders, of Arafat, or terrorists. They did their part. They are guilty too.

Everybody continues to babble they fight for their own freedom. In reality they aren´t, it is a power play between leaders who shamelessly use their power, at times given to them in elections, to continue dirty arms deals, drug deals, corruption, oil and hateful, racist attacks on civilians who have nothing whatsoever to do with the crimes these leaders are guilty of.

I know this might cause a great unrest, but some Israeli Prime Ministers have been behaving and are continuing to behave like their worst enemies in history. The continuing US support for Israel, a country that has had a nuclear bomb for decades (in compare to Hussein or Iran) and just doesn´t use it beacuse they would kill themselves, has led to the hateful attacks against Americans, i.e. burning flags.

Shit, if your house that you have built up in Gaza is destroyed by an Israeli tank that was financed by and/or imported from the US, how would you feel?

Terrorists are cruel and need to be stopped, we all agree with that. On the other hand Israel has committed so many crimes by international standards in the last 30 or 40 years - and not against terrorists, but against people like me and you who just happened to live in the wrong place - it is really disturbing to see they can get away with all that - just because they have US support.

No, I don´t feel sorry for Israel as a nation.
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what i am curious about is what israel is hoping to achieve at the end. what is the objective of this war? is it to get hezbollah to release the captives? is it to destroy hezbollah? is it to destroy lebanon? what are they exactly trying to pull off here?
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Israel is trying to re-establish the buffer zone along its northern border. The UN was supposed to take this role. They've failed miserably.
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ughhh The middle east is just one fucked up place period! Thats all I know.
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Israel is trying to re-establish the buffer zone along its northern border. The UN was supposed to take this role. They've failed miserably.
then how do acts like bombing beirut's airports and highways relate to this objective? last time i checked, beirut is NOT in south lebanon.
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ughhh The middle east is just one fucked up place period! Thats all I know.
Now, I'm certain we can all agree on that. And their are no easy solutions, just hard roads.
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id like to quote clausewitz on that: "the solution is simple, but not easy."
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Now, I'm certain we can all agree on that. And their are no easy solutions, just hard roads.
Peace will never work. And this problem will continue, until man's own destruction and we are heading that way and you know if it happens at least we wont have to worry about a DAMN thing anymore.
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I have a friend who is part Lebanese, he goes to Beirut every once in a while, and that city does not offer a crap standard of living. Of course, when it is not being bombarded.
Here is the latest Human Development Index from the United Nations which ranks the standard of living of 177 countries and territories around the world. Notice where Lebanon ranks relative to some countries and other area's of the world that are regarded as having a poor standard of living.



1 Norway
2 Iceland
3 Australia
4 Luxembourg
5 Canada

6 Sweden
7 Switzerland
8 Ireland
9 Belgium
10 United States

11 Japan
12 Netherlands
13 Finland
14 Denmark
15 United Kingdom

16 France
17 Austria
18 Italy
19 New Zealand
20 Germany

21 Spain
22 Hong Kong, China (SAR)
23 Israel
24 Greece
25 Singapore

26 Slovenia
27 Portugal
28 Korea, Rep. of
29 Cyprus
30 Barbados

31 Czech Republic
32 Malta
33 Brunei Darussalam
34 Argentina
35 Hungary

36 Poland
37 Chile
38 Estonia
39 Lithuania
40 Qatar

41 United Arab Emirates
42 Slovakia
43 Bahrain
44 Kuwait
45 Croatia

46 Uruguay
47 Costa Rica
48 Latvia
49 Saint Kitts and Nevis
50 Bahamas

51 Seychelles
52 Cuba
53 Mexico
54 Tonga
55 Bulgaria

56 Panama
57 Trinidad and Tobago
58 Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
59 Macedonia, TFYR
60 Antigua and Barbuda

61 Malaysia
62 Russian Federation
63 Brazil
64 Romania
65 Mauritius

66 Grenada
67 BELARUS
68 Bosnia and Herzegovina
69 Colombia
70 Dominica

71 Oman
72 ALBANIA
73 Thailand
74 Samoa (Western)
75 Venezuela

76 Saint Lucia
77 Saudi Arabia
78 Ukraine
79 Peru
80 Kazakhstan

81 LEBANON
82 Ecuador
83 Armenia
84 Philippines
85 China

86 Suriname
87 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
88 Paraguay
89 Tunisia
90 Jordan

91 Belize
92 Fiji
93 Sri Lanka
94 Turkey
95 Dominican Republic

96 Maldives
97 Turkmenistan
98 Jamaica
99 Iran, Islamic Rep. of
100 Georgia

101 Azerbaijan
102 OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES
103 Algeria
104 El Salvador
105 Cape Verde

106 Syrian Arab Republic
107 Guyana
108 Viet Nam
109 Kyrgyzstan
110 Indonesia

111 Uzbekistan
112 Nicaragua
113 Bolivia
114 Mongolia
115 Moldova, Rep. of

116 Honduras
117 Guatemala
118 Vanuatu
119 Egypt
120 South Africa

121 Equatorial Guinea
122 Tajikistan
123 Gabon
124 Morocco
125 Namibia

126 São Tomé and Principe
127 India
128 Solomon Islands
129 Myanmar
130 Cambodia

131 Botswana
132 Comoros
133 Lao People's Dem. Rep.
134 Bhutan
135 Pakistan

136 Nepal
137 Papua New Guinea
138 Ghana
139 Bangladesh
140 Timor-Leste

141 Sudan
142 Congo
143 Togo
144 Uganda
145 Zimbabwe

146 Madagascar
147 Swaziland
148 Cameroon
149 Lesotho
150 Djibouti

151 Yemen
152 Mauritania
153 Haiti
154 Kenya
155 Gambia

156 Guinea
157 Senegal
158 Nigeria
159 Rwanda
160 Angola

161 Eritrea
162 Benin
163 Côte d'Ivoire
164 Tanzania, U. Rep. of
165 Malawi

166 Zambia
167 Congo, Dem. Rep. of the
168 Mozambique
169 Burundi
170 Ethiopia

171 Central African Republic
172 Guinea-Bissau
173 Chad
174 Mali
175 Burkina Faso

176 Sierra Leone
177 Niger




If you have the money to fly to Beirut, then you'll obviously have the money to stay in a nice part of town, and its also true that Beirut may have a higher standard of living relative to the country side. Still, at #81, Lebanon is not very far ahead of the Palestinian occupied territories at #102. Its behind the Russian Federation at #62 which as recently as the late 1990s saw poverty levels not seen in Russia since the start of the 20th century. Israel has a standard of living on the level of most Western European countries.
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Peace will never work. And this problem will continue, until man's own destruction and we are heading that way and you know if it happens at least we wont have to worry about a DAMN thing anymore.

love the fatalist attitude lets all just lie down and die already.
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love the fatalist attitude lets all just lie down and die already.
LOL thanks. Why not who know, if we all lie down and wait to die then we have peace!!! hahahahahahahahahaha
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LOL thanks. Why not who know, if we all lie down and wait to die then we have peace!!! hahahahahahahahahaha

true dat, and the animals and plants will reign this beautiful blue planet again.


there´s nothing to do, mankind is the worst race that could happen to this planet.
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Israel has a standard of living on the level of most Western European countries.
How many billions per year does Israel get in aid from the US? And how many billions does Lebanon get?

Yeah, I thought so.
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