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Old 07-23-2006, 08:07 PM   #286
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Deep,

You never answered my question. How many Hezbollah have been killed?

1

50

200

370

????
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More fun than a sporting event

in a sporting event the outcome
is most times in doubt

in this case we know that terrorists
like the woman below will get what she deserves



there are also pictures of 4 year old terrorists that have been burned alive

but I won't bother to post
let's just cheer on the liquefaction of these terrorists
no matter how they disguise themselves.
They are being used as human shields, where does the burden of guilt go?
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Deep,

You never answered my question. How many Hezbollah have been killed?

1

50

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too many

too many Israelis

too many settlers in occupied territories

too many PLO

too many hamas

too many IDFs

too many people


the pot is boiling over

turning up the temperature will only
get more killing

the temperature needs to be turned down
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The only people refering to this as a sporting event or a game are those that seem to be so strongly opposed to what Israel is doing. I don't recall anyone who supports Israel's right to defend itself refer to it as a game or a sporting event.
Actually, I think the sporting event reference was in regards to the following post by a supporter of Israel:

Originally posted by JMScoopy
GO ISRAEL!!!

the y put up with enough shit, i support 'em 100%.
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as an American I do not find the issues raised, or the point of view of the article anti-American

is it anti current Administration policies?
yes
that is not anti-American
Agreed. I'm anti-current Administration's policies as well, as I'm sure you know from many of my previous posts. But surely, you can't believe that the article fiananceguy post represents a thoughtful, nuanced look at the complexities of the current situation? Surely, you must call into question the hyperbolic language and thus wonder whether the "facts" being reported in that article are really true.
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Actually, I think the sporting event reference was in regards to the following post by a supporter of Israel:

Originally posted by JMScoopy
GO ISRAEL!!!

the y put up with enough shit, i support 'em 100%.
I don't see where this person said that they it was like a sporting event or a game.
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I don't see where this person said that they it was like a sporting event or a game.
Be that as it may, that was the statement being referenced.

He also had three "rock on" smiley-face with devil horns icons (which for some reason didn't show up when I copied the quote). The attitude seemed to be similar to someone saying: GO LAKERS!!!!!
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People of Arab countries, especially the Lebanese and Palestinians, have been held hostage for a long time in the name of "resisting Israel." Arab governments have been caught between political obligations and public opinion leading to more corruption in politics and economics. Forgetting the interests of their own countries the Hamas Movement and Hezbollah have gone to the extent of representing the interests of Iran and Syrian in their countries. These organizations have become the representatives of Syria and Iran without worrying about the consequences of their action.

Recently Hamas kidnapped an Israeli soldier and bombed Israeli settlements with locally manufactured missiles. Soon Hezbollah followed suit, kidnapping two Israeli soldiers. Both these organizations claimed they had kidnapped Israeli soldiers to exchange them for Arab prisoners who are being held in Israeli jails. The fact that Hamas and Hezbollah gave the same reason for kidnapping Israeli soldiers gives us a glimpse their agenda, which is similar to the one followed by Syria and Iran in their conflict with the United States.

While the people of Palestine and Lebanon are paying the price of this bloody conflict, the main players, who caused this conflict, are living in peace and asking for more oil from Arab countries to support the facade of resisting Israel. With the Palestinian Authority close to collapse and the Lebanese government beginning to give up responsibility for what is happening in its territory, Saudi Arabia has been forced to come out of its diplomatic routine and indirectly hold Hezbollah responsible for what is happening Lebanon.

Without mentioning Hezbollah by name Saudi Arabia blamed certain "elements" inside Lebanon for the violence with Israel and said "it is necessary to make a distinction between legitimate resistance and uncalculated adventures adopted by certain elements within Lebanon without the knowledge of legal Lebanese authorities." While reiterating its support for Palestinian and Lebanese resistance against Israeli occupation, Saudi Arabia has clearly said it is against irresponsible adventures undertaken by certain elements in the region without consulting the legal authorities putting all Arab nations at risk. The Kingdom has also said "these elements must take responsibility for their irresponsible actions and they alone should end the crisis created by them."

This angry response from Saudi Arabia has politically isolated Hezbollah and Hamas besides holding them responsible for their actions.

This attitude of Saudi Arabia, which has been doing all it can to protect the Arab world from Israeli aggression, is enough to unmask the adventurers, who have violated the rights of their own countries and tried put their people under the guardianship of foreign countries like Iran and Syria. A battle between supporters and opponents of these adventurers has begun, starting from Palestine to Tehran passing through Syria and Lebanon. This war was inevitable as the Lebanese government couldn’t bring Hezbollah within its authority and make it work for the interests of Lebanon. Similarly leader of the Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas has been unable to rein in the Hamas Movement.

Unfortunately we must admit that in such a war the only way to get rid of "these irregular phenomena" is what Israel is doing. The operations of Israel in Gaza and Lebanon are in the interest of people of Arab countries and the international community.
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Bush Sends Kerry to Solve Israel-Hezbollah War
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(2006-07-24) — After learning that the battle between Israel and Hezbollah could have been prevented if Sen. John Kerry, D-MA, had been the U.S. Commander in Chief, President George Bush today dispatched Sen. Kerry to the war-torn region to “get this thing solved.”

Sen. Kerry, a career Vietnam veteran, who told a political gathering in Detroit yesterday that “we must destroy Hezbollah” and that the president “has been absent on diplomacy“, said he would bring his own brand of “diplomatic destruction” to the terrorist group.

“Senator Kerry’s presence and intellect alone should bring a swift end to hostilities,” said Mr. Bush, who admitted that he, and the State Department, had “kind of put the Middle East thing on the back burner” while following televised coverage of the Tour de France bicycle race.

In related news, as hostilities along the Lebanon border approached the two-week mark, the crisis was officially added to the list of “bad things that would not have happened during a John Kerry presidency.”
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They are being used as human shields, where does the burden of guilt go?
is this the length you'd go to justify the tragedy we see there? 'they were human shields'. i think it is a whole lot more likely that israel is just firing away their missiles indiscriminately than hezbollah using people as 'human shields'.

human shields? who the hell knows there was hezbollah presence in the location where this woman was injured? if they KNEW where hezbollah was, why havent they destroyed it after 2 WEEKS OF BOMBING? they dont know where hezbollah is, so how can you say these people were 'human shields' instead of just civilians trying to survive.
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Old 07-24-2006, 01:40 PM   #297
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is this the length you'd go to justify the tragedy we see there? 'they were human shields'. i think it is a whole lot more likely that israel is just firing away their missiles indiscriminately than hezbollah using people as 'human shields'.

human shields? who the hell knows there was hezbollah presence in the location where this woman was injured? if they KNEW where hezbollah was, why havent they destroyed it after 2 WEEKS OF BOMBING? they dont know where hezbollah is, so how can you say these people were 'human shields' instead of just civilians trying to survive.
If Israel was firing indiscriminately into the Lebanon they could have killed over 300,000 people by now, not just 300! It does not serve Israel's interest to to fire its missiles and shells indiscriminately and cause more large numbers of civilian casualties.

WHY IS HEZBOLLAH FIRING ROCKETS FROM RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS? One should try answering that question before they accuse the Israely's of anything.
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The reason there are some many civilian casualties in Lebenon is because Hizbollah hides in the civilian population and the goes out saying look what israel has done.
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The reason there are some many civilian casualties in Lebenon is because Hizbollah hides in the civilian population and the goes out saying look what israel has done.
This is true. It does, however, raise the question of whether Israel should continue to use it's heavy-handed approach in light of this. While I agree with Sting2 assertion that Israel could have killed more Lebanese civilians if they'd wanted to, I don't think that means that Israel could have taken a different approach. It's like saying, "Well, you know they could have used a nuclear missile to kill a fly." That still doesn't change the fact that using shotgun to kill a fly is still overkill.

Again, I think Israel is in a sense holding the whole nation of Lebanon responsible for the actions of Hezbollah and is moving forward with conventional-style warfare against the nation as a result. How else do you justify Israel bombing bridges, the airport etc?
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Well this is the Lebonese Governments fault for allowing this group to grow and become a political power in its country and for that they are paying for it. So when they show footage of dead Lebonese civilians I say nice going Lebenon for keeping Hizbolla around.
In fact this reminds me of what Somolia has become an anarchic nation where the central government is now to afraid to function because of Islamic extremists.
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