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Old 07-23-2006, 02:55 AM   #271
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Boy, but I sure hope Sting2's scenario pans out.
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"Gentle reader, do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in southern Lebanon? Israel has ordered all the villagers to clear out. Israel then destroys their homes and murders the fleeing villagers. That way there is no one to come back and nothing to which to return, making it easier for Israel to grab the territory, just as Israel has been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians.

Do you know that one-third of the Lebanese civilians murdered by Israel's attacks on civilian residential districts are children? That is the report from Jan Egeland, the emergency relief coordinator for the UN. He says it is impossible for help to reach the wounded and those buried in rubble, because Israeli air strikes have blown up all the bridges and roads. Considering how often (almost always) Israel misses Hezbollah targets and hits civilian ones, one might think that Israeli fire is being guided by US satellites and US military GPS. Don't be surprised at US complicity. Why would the puppet be any less evil than the puppet master?

Of course, you don't know these things, because the US print and TV media do not report them.

Because Bush is so proud of himself, you do know that he has blocked every effort to stop the Israeli slaughter of Lebanese civilians. Bush has told the UN "NO." Bush has told the European Union "NO." Bush has told the pro-American Lebanese prime minister "NO." Twice. Bush is very proud of his firmness. He is enjoying Israel's rampage and wishes he could do the same thing in Iraq.

Does it make you a Proud American that "your" president gave Israel the green light to drop bombs on convoys of villagers fleeing from Israeli shelling, on residential neighborhoods in the capital of Beirut and throughout Lebanon, on hospitals, on power plants, on food production and storage, on ports, on civilian airports, on bridges, on roads, on every piece of infrastructure on which civilized life depends? Are you a Proud American? Or are you an Israeli puppet?"
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financeguy, Bush sure as hell isn't making me proud to be an American these days. Israel has gone way too far with Lebanon, there are too many civilian casualties, this has got to be stopped.
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http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=9381"Gentle reader, do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in southern Lebanon?
Ethnic cleansing? Ridiculous.

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"your" president gave Israel the green light to drop bombs on convoys of villagers fleeing from Israeli shelling
Is this true? Or just demonization of America?
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^Financeguy, while I feel that Israel is trying to kill a fly with a shotgun, the snippet you quoted sounds suspect to me. It seems very heavily biased, and to be frank, sounds like kind of obvious anti-Israel, and possibly anti-American propaganda.

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^Financeguy, ... and possibly anti-American propaganda.

IMHO.
as an American I do not find the issues raised, or the point of view of the article anti-American

is it anti current Administration policies?
yes
that is not anti-American
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GO ISRAEL!!!

the y put up with enough shit, i support 'em 100%.
This is not a sporting event.This is about life and death.
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More fun than a sporting event

in a sporting event the outcome
is most times in doubt

in this case we know that terrorists
like the woman below will get what she deserves



there are also pictures of 4 year old terrorists that have been burned alive

but I won't bother to post
let's just cheer on the liquefaction of these terrorists
no matter how they disguise themselves.
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Old 07-23-2006, 03:10 PM   #279
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"Gentle reader, do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in southern Lebanon? Israel has ordered all the villagers to clear out. Israel then destroys their homes and murders the fleeing villagers. That way there is no one to come back and nothing to which to return, making it easier for Israel to grab the territory, just as Israel has been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians.

Do you know that one-third of the Lebanese civilians murdered by Israel's attacks on civilian residential districts are children? That is the report from Jan Egeland, the emergency relief coordinator for the UN. He says it is impossible for help to reach the wounded and those buried in rubble, because Israeli air strikes have blown up all the bridges and roads. Considering how often (almost always) Israel misses Hezbollah targets and hits civilian ones, one might think that Israeli fire is being guided by US satellites and US military GPS. Don't be surprised at US complicity. Why would the puppet be any less evil than the puppet master?

Of course, you don't know these things, because the US print and TV media do not report them.

Because Bush is so proud of himself, you do know that he has blocked every effort to stop the Israeli slaughter of Lebanese civilians. Bush has told the UN "NO." Bush has told the European Union "NO." Bush has told the pro-American Lebanese prime minister "NO." Twice. Bush is very proud of his firmness. He is enjoying Israel's rampage and wishes he could do the same thing in Iraq.

Does it make you a Proud American that "your" president gave Israel the green light to drop bombs on convoys of villagers fleeing from Israeli shelling, on residential neighborhoods in the capital of Beirut and throughout Lebanon, on hospitals, on power plants, on food production and storage, on ports, on civilian airports, on bridges, on roads, on every piece of infrastructure on which civilized life depends? Are you a Proud American? Or are you an Israeli puppet?"
If Israel wanted to kill civilians, they could kill every civilian in Lebanon. But Israel did not want to kill a single civilian and does not target them. The fact is, its impossible to engage in necessary military action without there being accidental civilian deaths.

I wonder what the above website would have said about D-Day? You had 20,000 French Civilians killed in a 10 day period, with probably over 6,000 of them being childern. But the civilians in France were not the target. These casualties were unfortunate accidents resulting from a necessary military operation.

If Israel had not been as careful as they have been so far, you would probably have 30,000 dead civilians as opposed to just 300. Think about the scale of what is being done here.
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Old 07-23-2006, 03:18 PM   #280
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More fun than a sporting event

in a sporting event the outcome
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but I won't bother to post
let's just cheer on the liquefaction of these terrorists
no matter how they disguise themselves.
If Hezbollah had disarmed as required by the UN Security Council Resolution and stopped its unprovoked attacks against Israel, this whole situation would not exist.

If a place like San Francisco was hit by 1,500 rockets, I'm sure even there, the majority of citizens there would favor a military response to stop the rocket attacks.
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I am truly digusted by the ease in which some people write this off as a "sporting event." These people in Lebanon, Iraq and Afganistan aren't all terrorists and the ones who are have become so out of the conditions they live in. I was watching CNN and an analyst was talking about the possible invasion strategy for Isreal as if it were some kind of football you'd draw up in the mud.
In truth, the western world is the true terrorist.
People around the world should hate us. The posters that have suggested that this is some kind of game really need to take a closer look at the world. If you were born in these peoples' world you would probably be the dead terrorists that you seem to enjoy seeing pictures of so much.
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Old 07-23-2006, 03:35 PM   #282
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I am truly digusted by the ease in which some people write this off as a "sporting event." These people in Lebanon, Iraq and Afganistan aren't all terrorists and the ones who are have become so out of the conditions they live in. I was watching CNN and an analyst was talking about the possible invasion strategy for Isreal as if it were some kind of football you'd draw up in the mud.
In truth, the western world is the true terrorist.
People around the world should hate us. The posters that have suggested that this is some kind of game really need to take a closer look at the world. If you were born in these peoples' world you would probably be the dead terrorists that you seem to enjoy seeing pictures of so much.
The only people refering to this as a sporting event or a game are those that seem to be so strongly opposed to what Israel is doing. I don't recall anyone who supports Israel's right to defend itself refer to it as a game or a sporting event.
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No, STING2 watch CNN, my post was directed as much at them as to anyone in this post. They have treated this thing like a game. If I've misinterpreted the posts of people here, I'm sorry but it seems like soem of them are treating like a game. I just get tired of people dehumanizing terrorists. Some of these posts have just gotten to me.
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Sunday 23 July 2006 1:53 PM GMT



The United Nations emergency relief coordinator has accused Israel of breaking humanitarian law as he toured ruins in Beirut left by devastating Israeli air raids on residential areas.

Jan Egeland spoke during a visit to the Haret Hreik district of Beirut where Israeli air raids had struck just hours before, destroying a headquarters of Hezbollah.

"It is horrific. I did not know it was block after block of houses … It makes it a violation of humanitarian law," Egeland told journalists.

He said it was hard to distinguish between military and civilian targets in the predominantly Shia Muslim neighbourhood.

Egeland said that the violence and destruction had to end. "It is costing too many lives and it will not lead to a solution in the south," he said.

The UN official was in the region ahead of international appeal for aid for Lebanon. “It will be a large appeal. It's got to be more than $100 million,” he said.

His comments came after two Israeli were killed in a Hezbollah rocket attack on Haifa as Israel's airforce continued to pound Lebanon for a 12th successive day.

Aid corridors

Egeland plans to travel to Israel for further discussions on opening aid corridors.

Israel has said it will allow aid in through Beirut's port, but it will be difficult for it to reach the people who need it as roads, bridges and trucks have been targeted by the Israeli air force.

Thousands of people have fled
their homes during the conflict
At least 600,000 people have now been displaced by the fighting, according to the World Health Organisation.

Envoys from three European countries have joined the diplomatic effort to end the fighting between Hezbollah and Israel.

Ministers from France, Germany and Britain held separate talks with Israeli officials ahead of the arrival in the region of US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice on Sunday.

"My question to Jerusalem and Beirut is the same," said Philippe Douste-Blazy, the French foreign minister. "How do we reach a ceasefire as quickly as possible?"

Rocket fire

Douste-Blazy was visiting the Israeli city of Haifa when it came under Hezbollah rocket fire that killed two people.

Israeli attacks have killed some 370 Lebanese, most of them civilians, while 37 Israelis have died during the conflict, 17 of them civilians killed by Hezbollah rockets in the north of the country.

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No, STING2 watch CNN, my post was directed as much at them as to anyone in this post. They have treated this thing like a game. If I've misinterpreted the posts of people here, I'm sorry but it seems like soem of them are treating like a game. I just get tired of people dehumanizing terrorists. Some of these posts have just gotten to me.
It might be better to ask them to explain their posts rather than automatically acuse them of refering to a serious situation like this as a game.
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