trevster2k said:
Thanks for your response Sting.
Would you agree that criticism of Israel's actions is not the same as support for Hezbelloh or Hamas?
Because I think some people here who support Israel misunderstand the two. I don't believe anyone has a problem with Israel defending itself against the terrorists. But people have a difficult time watching the lives of tens of thousands of people being displaced and hundreds being killed. I just saw a death too figure on CBC news, 400 Lebanese (17 Hezbelloh) and 17 Israeli civilians and 19 Israeli soldiers. These numbers, along with the destruction of civilian infrastructure, create questions in the minds of the public. People are wondering who are the victims right now, not in the past but during this present conflict over the past 10-14 days. That's all people are questioning and wondering how the kidnapping of 3 soldiers and the killing of another 8 soldiers warrants this level of military response by Israel.
Also, do you think any of this will solve anything? Personally, since this has been going on since the formation of Israel as a nation, I don't this will long-running conflict will ever end barring the complete destruction of the entire Arab populace around Israel since some suggest it is an Arab position. Or they resolve the Palestinian issue.
Terrorists lose their support when they no longer have the public sympathy for their causes. I don't mean overt support but an underlying thought process which kind of understands why they are doing what they are doing. When this feeling disappears, so do their recruits since they have no more sympathizers. But when that public continues to suffer losses which it may perceive to unfair and disproportionate, it may not have the effect of creating a distaste for a terrorist group like Hezbelloh. It's possible it could even strengthen their resolve and support instead of the opposite effect.
I certainly agree that criticism of Israel's actions is not the same as support for Hezbollah and Humas. Still, I have often found there to be a lack of criticism or sometimes even a mention of the terrorism of Hezbollah and Humas by many around the world who engage in mass criticism of Israel.
Lets remember that this response by Israel is not simply about the kidnapping of two Israely soldiers. Hezbollah has been building up its strength and supplies along the border with Israel for the past 6 years and has been rocketing northern Israely towns and making incursions to capture Israely soldiers for a good period of time, prior to the events of two weeks ago. What happened two weeks ago was not an isolated incident.
With that in mind, Israel is concience of the build of 15,000 rockets along its border which threatens the safety of its citizens and which Hezbollah was starting to use more frequently. Israel had to do something about this problem. How long would the United States or any other country tolerate such violent terrorist activity along its border before it took action to resolve the problem?
Military action of this scale normally would involve casualty levels far exceeding the 400 Lebanese that have been killed so far. In terms of being careful and using restraint, Israel may have been too cautious. In any event, if the casualty figure is to high in your view, what would you consider to be an "acceptable" casualty level given the seriousness of the situation?
I think the immediate threat to Israely towns in the north will largely be solved by completely pushing Hezbollah at least 20 miles from the Israely border in which case 98% of their rockets will be out of range of Israely citizens.
Remember, Israel is not the agressor. It is defending itself and its way of life and has successfully done so for 58 years now. Israel has what it wants. Its an independent democracy, with one of the highest standards of living in the world. Its ready to continue to live, grow and prosper as it has well into the future.
Outside of Israel, in Lebanon, West Bank, Gaza, and Syria, the citizens have standards of living that don't even rank in the top 100 for the planet. They continue to support the same leaders, and the same actions, terrorism and violence against Israel in the hopes they will destroy Israel and this will somehow make their lives better. Its 58 years later, who has the independent state and is living the prosperous lifestyle and who is essentially living in the same conditions they lived in 58 years ago if not worse? Its time for the Arabs in these countries to WAKE UP and realize that if they want a decent future for their childern, they need to stop this insane and unachievable pursuit of the destruction of Israel. All their actions do is make living conditions for them worse, while Israel continues to advance far into the future. If you want to have a prosperous society, stop sending your childern to join Humas and Hezbollah and educate them in a way that will actually contribute to your countries standard of living instead of detract from it. At a minimum, stop the violence, because it has done nothing to stop Israel and has been the #1 reason why these communities are still stuck in the past while Israel and the rest of the world continues to move forward.
Israel has already demonstrated its willingness to negotiate on any issue as well as withdraw from this or that territory without any conditions as we saw with Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza more recently. But it will never allow terrorist to simply slaughter its civilians without responding and removing that particular threat.
Israel has what it wants and will continue to protect it with any means necessary. If people in Lebanon, West Bank, and Gaza want to be able to improve their standard of living, and actually move into the future, then they are going to have to deal with these terrorist groups and end their support for them. The choice is theirs, 60 more years of terrorism and moving backwards, or 60 years of a future with progress, peace and prosperity. Hezbollah and Humas are strong, but their not dictatorships and don't run police states. They get their power from the people, and the people are going to have to pick which road they want to go down.