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Old 04-01-2005, 12:31 PM   #61
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im not a catholic, i dont even subscribe to any of the religions, but i believe pope was overall a good person - at the very least someone who believed in what he did. and he did the best he could, as well.

but before he was pope, he was karol wojtyla. lets take a look at his life:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...pepre_timeline
http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96may/johnpaul.html
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Old 04-01-2005, 12:46 PM   #62
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EWTN jumped the gun. None of the big time news networks are saying he's died. I saw a huge crowd in front of St. Peter's praying the rosary with a group of cardinals.
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Old 04-01-2005, 12:51 PM   #63
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Schrodinger's Pope.

We need eight bazillion pounds of media coverage to totally screw up a simple matter of whether someone has died or not.
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Not surprisingly, I can't get into the Vatican's site. There's no telling how many people are trying to get into this site. Forget it.
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Old 04-01-2005, 01:05 PM   #65
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II hope the next Pope is immensely better than this one. As a reluctant former Catholic, we, as a Church, deserve better. I want to someday again feel proud of the religion I grew up in.

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You make what you want out of religion. I think that you need to show a little bit more respect for the Pope, even though you may not necessarily agree with all what he says.
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Old 04-01-2005, 01:07 PM   #66
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I don't think Melon said anything disrespectful. He doesn't seem to think this Pope did a good job, and he's entitled to that opinion.
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Old 04-01-2005, 01:08 PM   #67
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And if I do this with my own family members, I'm surely going to do it with people who have chosen to become public figures.
So the Pope chose to become a public figure?

You don't get it, do you? He was chosen.

And I disagree with you, I think that when he is about to die, you should show some respect. Feel free to discuss what you did not like about him after people have grieved. Otherwise, I am sorry, but you are showing a lot of disrespect.
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Old 04-01-2005, 01:09 PM   #68
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I don't think Melon said anything disrespectful. He doesn't seem to think this Pope did a good job, and he's entitled to that opinion.
As I have just posted, he's entitled to whatever opinion he wants. It is just a bad time to express that kind of opinion.
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John Paul II, I hope that, from up there, you finally feel that you have made it to the end of the road. That now, after giving us so much, is your time to receive.
That's beautiful

I don't agree w/ everything the Pope has said and done, but I give him my respect and admiration. Especially at this time. I don't wish to argue w/ anyone here about him or my opinion of him.

God Bless John Paul II
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Old 04-01-2005, 01:16 PM   #70
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Let's not turn this thread into another argument over what constitutes respectful behavior towards highly prominent public figures who have died or who are near death (i.e. NOT Reagan Part II). Rather, I'd like to see some meaningful discussion in which both sides can talk about what the Pope, and his eventual death, means.

Simply saying that you don't care for Pope John Paul II, or saying that you disagree with things he did and said, is not grounds for being yelled at. Likewise, however, "I hope he burns in hell" is probably inappropriate (NOT that anyone here would say this or has said it, I'm just using it as an example).

Everybody clear?
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Though i disagree with many of his viewpoints, i also believe he is a truly sincere and peace-loving man. A person who cared for humanity in general, but also a man who could't think in a different way because his true sincere beliefs wouldn't let him.

As a pro-condom pro-gay-rights non-theist catholic. May he rest in peace and may God (if there's any) have his soul...
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The pope is dying and to see anyone suffering so much, specially so publically, for me anyway, is very sad to watch. To see people arguing about his life now is extremley upsetting especially for people who feel that he plays an important role in their lives. I say give a dying man a break. I really hope that he is as comfortable as possible and he finds the peace that he is awaiting.
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I'm a practicing Catholic and I don't mind criticism of the Pope now. If it were really mean-spirited or whatever and said "he should burn in hell" or something I'd object, but I have no problem with people criticizing the guy's theology or politics. I expect the Pope to be controversial, not universally loved.
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I'm a practicing Catholic and I don't mind criticism of the Pope now. If it were really mean-spirited or whatever and said "he should burn in hell" or something I'd object, but I have no problem with people criticizing the guy's theology or politics. I expect the Pope to be controversial, not universally loved.
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