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Old 04-02-2005, 04:35 PM   #151
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Melon, Anthony... I kindly ask you to save your criticism until later this week.

I respect your disagreement and consider you smart, not judgmental people. But this is indeed a very sad day for us Catholics and I wanted to read in this forum some support for a leader. You may like him or not, but that is what he was.

And please note that I am not trying to censor you or anything. This is just too special of a moment for many of us.

Thanks.

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Thank you for posting this U2@NYC. Indeed it is a very sad day for us Catholics.
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Old 04-02-2005, 04:40 PM   #152
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Thank you for posting this U2@NYC. Indeed it is a very sad day for us Catholics.
Yes, it is, I'm really shaken up and upset. This is hard to take. I just came from mass at my church, and will be attending a Monday night memorial mass at the church. I can't say whether or not I'm a good Catholic, but I'm Catholic.
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Old 04-02-2005, 04:40 PM   #153
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s to all the Catholics on this board.

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Old 04-02-2005, 04:54 PM   #154
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Your request is noted, and will be respected. However, as a practicing Catholic myself I feel I must explain - I pray that the man found peace and is with God, as I would do for any other human being. Respectfully, however, I reserve the right to put my opinions forward if others choose to do as such.

I do not argue that he was a leader, and far be it from me to deny him support. He was a man worthy of much respect, and I do not feel that I have been disrespectful in any way.

Again, may he rest in peace.

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Old 04-02-2005, 07:19 PM   #155
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Do you display photos of your loved ones in your home?
These = statues.
Do you think about those who have gone before you, a mother , a father, a friend, learn from their lessons?
This ='s praying to the holy Mother for guidance. She understands suffering, and never asked her son to step down from his job to matter how hard.
Do you 'confess' your heart to your friends and seek advice from them, and then feel better afterwards?
This ='s confessing to a priest.
And the good part is they don't go off and gossip to everybody afterwards.
These are our Catholic traditions.
How is this 'un-Christian' or pompous?
You have much to learn young Jedi....
If you are another denomination you need to know that these Catholic traditions are part of your own 'Christain history'.
Please don't judge what you don't bother to learn, much less respect. +++
Excuse me, but I was not trying to judge anyone in my post. I merely pointed out that the Catholic sect of the Christian religion does things that other sects may or may not necessarily do. That is all.

I am not Catholic, but that does not make me unaware of these things. Everyone in my family (father's side and mother's side) are Catholics except for my immediate family. So I grew up with their traditions.

I never mentioned the word pompous except when I was quoting someone else. Next time, please don't judge what you don't bother to know.
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Old 04-02-2005, 09:03 PM   #156
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I was only 11 or so when John Paul II became pope. Even at that age I was aware there was something different about his pope. He wasn't just going to be some guy sitting in the Vatican. He was out traveling the world and insisting on freedom - religious and otherwise - behind the Iron Curtain. I remember all the excitement when he came to visit my home state (Iowa) many years ago. I didn't get to go see him even though I really wanted to and I've always regretted that - especially today.

As I got older I learned that the pope I had loved and admired so much in my youth held some opinions sharply opposed to my own - especially his refusal to budge on issues such as birth control, gay rights and ordaining women. That was a sharp disappointment. But I still believe whoever follows him is going to have a very hard time measuring up. RIP, JPII.
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Your request is noted, and will be respected. However, as a practicing Catholic myself I feel I must explain - I pray that the man found peace and is with God, as I would do for any other human being. Respectfully, however, I reserve the right to put my opinions forward if others choose to do as such.

I do not argue that he was a leader, and far be it from me to deny him support. He was a man worthy of much respect, and I do not feel that I have been disrespectful in any way.

Again, may he rest in peace.

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Thanks, Ant. Again, I am not asking to shut your opinions. Just to hold them for a little bit. For us Catholics, these news take some time to sink in.
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It's official. Pope John Paul II has died.
Thank God the poor man is at rest now.

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Old 04-02-2005, 11:30 PM   #159
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A great pope has gone.
May his example of love, peace, faith and will be a model for all of us.
I was watching tv (I live in Milan, Italy) and I saw all those images of this great man with kids, babies and teenagers and it just made me cry so hard.

The whole world is praying for this man, a real peace-builder. And the fact that Muslims, Protestant, Jews and Catholic are praying together just makes me hope!
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Old 04-03-2005, 12:03 AM   #160
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"One step closer to knowing" comes to my mind.

But maybe the pope already knew...
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Old 04-03-2005, 03:05 AM   #161
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I wanted to post something wise and poignant, but words simply fail me. For us, it is not only the Pope who has died, it is one of us, maybe the greatest Pole of all times. The sadness we feel here... it is beyond any words.
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Old 04-03-2005, 04:51 AM   #162
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The Pope did many great things, some not so great. He might have done more, but so many others have done much less.

What he did do, will be felt for the ages.



And love is not the easy thing
The only baggage that you can bring
Love is not the easy thing
The only baggage you can bring
Is all that you can't leave behind...

And if the darkness is to keep us apart
And if the daylight feels like it's a long way off
And if your glass heart should crack
And for a second you turn back
Oh no, be strong

Oh, oh
Walk on, walk on
What you got, they can't steal it
No, they can't even feel it
Walk on, walk on
Stay safe tonight



You're packing a suitcase for a place none of us has been
A place that has to be believed, to be seen
You could have flown away
A singing bird in an open cage
Who will only fly, only fly, for freedom



Oh, oh
Walk on, walk on
What you got, they can't deny it
Can't sell it, or buy it
Walk on, walk on
You stay safe tonight



And I know it aches
And your heart, it breaks
You can only take so much



Walk on...
Walk on...

Home...
Hard to know what it is, if you never had one
Home...
I can't say where it is, but I know I'm going
Home...
That's where the hurt is...



And I know it aches
And your heart, it breaks
And you can only take so much

Walk on...
(Hooo)



Leave it behind
You got to leave it behind
All that you fashion
All that you make
All that you build
All that you break
All that you measure
All that you feel

All this, you can, leave behind ...




All that you reason, (it's only time)
(Love is a feeling on my mind)
All that you sense
All that you scheme
All you dress-up
All that you've seen
All you create
All that you wreck


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Old 04-03-2005, 05:13 AM   #164
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Everyone dies and today it was Popey's turn. Shame for those close to him.

Seemed like an OK bloke (for a fundamentalist Catholic).

The fact that he was willing to try on Bono's glasses is indeed "funky" and it is admirable that he managed to get over that cruel assassination attempt 20 odd years ago. Shocking thing to happen.

To be honest, I have trouble understanding how the Catholics are feeling, but obviously, a lot of them are in mourning. I hope they all get over it OK, and that they can look forward to the future.

My deepest sympathy to those close to him...but, y'know, wouldnt it be great if people could live forever, but once it ends it ends. I wish there was never and end to life, but there is.


Anyway, sympathy from me to all those who need it....

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I live in Poland I had not imagined in my life that what happened last night after that terrible news. It was really "like last night on earth"... We really feel united now and a bit like orphans: we lost our father. I had this luck to be in the last pope's private audience. Well, I had not had this concious that it was last... Few hours later, he went to the hospital...
Please, pray.
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