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Old 10-09-2004, 01:59 AM   #91
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Thanks for the info, deep.

I had a feeling that mentioning the Dred Scott case meant that there were some straws being grasped somewhere in Missouri.
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Kerry seemed regal and presidential, Bush's interruptions of Charlie seemed lilke something the pushy kid on the playground would do. You are right -- bush got a bigger bounce but he had alot more ground to make up after last week than Kerry. If Kerry stayed even tonight, it would be considered a victory.

On that note, I just want to apologize to our Canadian friends. I grew up in Detroit, love watching hockey and am pissed about this NHL lockout. That being said, I don't think Canada is a third-world nation and I believe your drugs are just fine. Wait...I believe your prescription drugs are safe. That's better.
I just wanted to post and say I agree with everything - everything in this post.
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Wow you guys certainly do a good job. If I had not watched the debate and only read this then I might be worried. But I'm not. If you remember, Mr. Edwards was ahead in all of those non-scientific polls after his debate, when I think most reasonable people believe that he either lost or at least tied. And most networks agree with that. Bush did heads and tails better then last time. Kerry didn't answer how he was going to pay for a 2.2 trillion dollar spending plan without raising anyone's taxes except people over 200,000. He also claims that he will add 40,000 active troops to our military without explaining how he will do that. He continues to distort the lost jobs number. Kerry says 1.6 million. Those are private sector job losses. With the gains in the private sector--the number is actually about half of what Kerry is saying it is at around 821,000 according to the latest jobs report. Kerry now says that he supports the no child left behind act--just that it was underfunded. The basis of that act is testing and accountability for the schools and the children. He has also said too much emphasis is placed on tests for measuring student achievement and that additional factors, such as attendance and parental satisfaction, should be considered. Also that Bush owns a timber company--one of the light moments in the debate. He also said that he fixed medicare in the senate in 1997. I know alot of people that disagree with him like many of his colleagues considering Bush's medicare bill had to pass through the senate to be approved. He never answered Bush's charges of him being absent for certain votes that he says he is against but was not there to vote for. Bush said that if Kerry were president, Saddam Hussein "would still be in power." Kerry replied: "Not necessarily be in power ..." Kerry once again dimished the sacrifices of our allies by saying that he was "not going to go alone like this president did" in Iraq.
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Old 10-09-2004, 08:06 AM   #94
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how u been Jofo?

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ok man...I've gone from supporting the war in Iraq in early 2003 to realizing it was a huge mistake now in 2004.
Why?
well, for one thing I realized that I was tricked by the Bush administration into believing that Saddam was gonna hand over some WMD's to bin laden's people so that they could set them off in Times Square. Guess what? That couldn't happen because he did't have any. I don't like being tricked, certainly not being tricked into believing something out of fear. and that's exactly what they're still doing: telling us to be afraid, and that they're the only ones who can protect us.
nonsense.
I could go on a long time about this, but what's the point?
I'm sure STING2 is gonna come in here any minute with a bunch of numbers and UN resolutions refuting everything.

I'll make one thing clear though: I'm an American, proud to be one, and think we've got the wrong guy in charge. will John Kerry do better? I don't know, but I'm willing to try.
I think at least he'll restore some respect to America in the eyes of the rest of the world....which we've lost under the current president.

oh, and you know what sucks? last night after the debate I went to a bar with 2 friends of mine who both work for Fox news; I said "what's going on?" one of them said "watched bush kick Kerry's ass". I was like


"let me out of the car". but I stayed and listened to them, and they are brainwashed by Fox. It's a shame, because they're really good people. oh well.
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Old 10-09-2004, 08:51 AM   #96
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I'll make one thing clear though: I'm an American, proud to be one, .



but I stayed and listened to them, and they are brainwashed by Fox. .
I agree w/this one boss.

Like all news presentations always astutely consider the source. They all claim to be objective but are not.
Not CNN
Not Fox

and as we all just found out certainly not Mr Rather.

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Old 10-09-2004, 09:26 AM   #97
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Watch Bush flip out on the moderator.
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Old 10-09-2004, 09:47 AM   #98
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anitram,
That was a defining moment of the debate.

Most Americans liked the Pres asserting himself. At that moment he took control of the room.

Most Americans loved it. Not all, most mind you.

Most ppl outside of America didn't like Bush asserting himself.

It is where youre perspective is.

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Most Americans liked the Pres asserting himself.
Is that why Gallup, the HOLY POLL reveals that Independents think 53-37 that Kerry won last night?
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All the networks are still calling it a Kerry win, except ABC - they're calling it a tie.

Edwards is still the winner over Cheney except on ABC - with a larger Rep response.
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Old 10-09-2004, 10:10 AM   #101
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Overall
47 kerry

45 bush
however-
1 % of voters liked kerry pouting while bush asserted his bad self
7 % liked bush asserting his badself in a given moment

92% choose to stay neutral.

so anitram if u add up the
bush 45
plus 7% liking bush taking charge of the room..
Bush wins

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Is that why Gallup, the HOLY POLL reveals that Independents think 53-37 that Kerry won last night?
You forgot to mention that the Gallup poll sampled more Republicans than Dems, and Kerry still came out barely ahead.

In any case, we really should get over our obsession with polls. They are getting less reliable and do not sample cell phone users, who are in large part younger voters.
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That's because all the Republicans are all on the "other" mysterious Internet Bush referred to tonight ("Internets")
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Old 10-09-2004, 11:21 AM   #104
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Polls on who won the 2nd Presidential debate(as current 2:00 EST 10/09/04)

Gallup
Kerry 47
Bush 45

CNN
Kerry 56
Bush 42

FoxNews
Kerry 45
Bush 54

MSNBC
Kerry 63
Bush 37
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My mother is a Canadian, of political centre, and she has never even heard Kerry speak before (she obviously has heard Bush). She watched tonight for half an hour and said, "who would vote for Bush?" She is a professional consultant and public speaker and her opinion is that Bush is extremely unhinged and unprepared, whereas Kerry looks dignified, likeable and presidential.

0-2 indeed.
Your mother is a very wise woman!
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