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Old 03-08-2006, 08:53 PM   #16
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Still rhapsodizing about F for Fake, melon?

While meanwhile, deep's comment about cryogenics is giving me far less lofty visions of Woody Allen's Sleeper...
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Old 03-08-2006, 08:58 PM   #17
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Would you say the same for

"the fact that many religions define "homosexuality" as against nature, abnormal and always wrong."
Whatever I might be inclined to want to say to that statement, it is still something I have to deal with, whether I like it or not; hence why I repeat myself about 10,000 times refuting those same old Biblical passages, despite coming from a religious tradition that outright rejects Biblical fundamentalism.

To achieve a means to an end, sometimes you have to argue on someone else's terms, even if you disagree with them.

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Old 03-08-2006, 09:00 PM   #18
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Still rhapsodizing about F for Fake, melon?
Yes. Very much so.

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This is pure speculation on my part, but I'm guessing perhaps AliEnvy made the analogy because here is a case of a man being allowed to not have a child he doesn't want on the grounds that control over his reproductive capacities ultimately belongs to him and him alone, even once an embryo already exists.
Yes...and I couldn't resist the Justinesque caption sans exclamation point.

First to catch up, IVF requires more than one embryo to be used at time and has a low success rate so having a six-pack on ice doesn't guarantee that even one child may eventually be born...only the possibility.

I agree that his permission should be required by his ex as it would be required for the embryos to be donated to an infertile couple or to research.

But it reminded me about cases in the 80s in Montreal where 2 men were granted injunctions to stop their girlfriends from having abortions...federal Supreme Court shot them down pretty quickly.

Are there people really cryogenically frozen? I thought that was just science fiction lol.
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yep there are people who pay to be cryogenically frozen, quite a few actually. There is no way to reanimate them though with current technology (even if they were in perfect health when frozen). When the liquid inside the cells freezes the crystals damage the cells. So people are paying a lot of money in hopes that A) we'll find a cure for whatever they died from and B) that we'll find a way to repair the massive tissue damage that freezing causes
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another interesting issue re men and pregnancy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11731580/

"NEW YORK - Contending that women have more options than they do in the event of an unintended pregnancy, men’s rights activists are mounting a long shot legal campaign aimed at giving them the chance to opt out of financial responsibility for raising a child.

The National Center for Men has prepared a lawsuit — nicknamed Roe v. Wade for Men — to be filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Michigan on behalf of a 25-year-old computer programmer ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend’s daughter. The suit addresses the issue of male reproductive rights, contending that lack of such rights violates the U.S. Constitution’s equal protection clause.

The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose."
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Very interesting case.

I'm not sure a male's right to completely disassociate himself from an unintended pregnancy will fly (established legal obligations stem from the child's rights), various aspects of this responsibility should be examined.

But that issue is undermined by the basic contention that an unborn child is "not life".
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But that issue is undermined by the basic contention that an unborn child is "not life".
Exactly. Maybe a man should be able to relinquish parental rights (outside marriage) up to the same point in pregnancy that a woman can.

But then he'd have to know about it.

Honey, I'm pregnant! becomes a notarized doctor's note by registered mail.

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[url] men’s rights activists
are there activicts for men's rights? I didn't know that.

won't tell that here

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