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Old 08-16-2005, 05:10 AM   #1
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Men Are Nothing But Sperm Donors

according to this guy - is someone feeling a wee bit threatened or bitter? I don't know, maybe

http://news.independent.co.uk/media/article306271.ece



The veteran BBC newsreader Michael Buerk has complained that "almost all the big jobs in broadcasting [are] held by women," and that men have been reduced to "sperm donors".

The former Nine O'Clock News presenter, who now reads the news on BBC World, also said that the "shift in the balance of power between the sexes" has gone too far, saying that "life is now lived in accordance with women's rules".

Buerk, who was promoting a new channel Five series, said that when he started making the programme he saw that changes that have taken place in modern society were reflected in his own experiences.

"Almost all the big jobs in broadcasting were held by women - the controllers of BBC 1 television and Radio 4 for example. These are the people who decide what we see and hear," he said in an interview with Radio Times.

At the time the programme was being made, the BBC 1 chief was Lorraine Heggessey, the channel's first female controller. She resigned in January after four years at the head of the channel.

Ms Heggessey was one of several female broadcasting executives who were promoted by the former director general Greg Dyke to senior BBC positions as part of a campaign to rid the corporation of its image as a network of middle-class white men. Others included the director of television, Jana Bennett, the BBC Radio director, Jenny Abramsky, the head of entertainment, Jane Lush, and the director of BBC News, Helen Boaden.

In October last year, another former director general, Alasdair Milne, sparked a furious response when he said that the dominance of female executives was to blame for too many "dumb, dumb, dumb" lifestyle and makeover shows.

Ms Heggessey has been replaced as BBC 1 controller by a man, Peter Fincham, while Radio 4 is still run by Janice Hadlow.

Buerk said that social changes were not only felt at the BBC, and that the majority of middle management positions were held by women - a development which has "changed the nature of almost every aspect of the marketplace".

He continued: "Products are made for women, cars are made for women - because they control what is being bought.

"Look at the changes in the workplace. There is no manufacturing industry any more; there are no mines; few vital jobs require physical strength.

"What we have now are lots of jobs that require people skills and multi-tasking - which women are a lot better at."

Buerk spent 20 years as a foreign correspondent before becoming one of the main anchors on the BBC's flagship news programme, but he is still best-known for his reporting from the 1984 famine in Ethiopia.

In the interview, he said that typically male characteristics have been sidelined. "The traits that have traditionally been associated with men - reticence, stoicism, single-mindedness - have been marginalised," he said.

Buerk said that the result is that men are becoming more like women. "Look at the men who are being held up as sporting icons - David Beckham and, God forbid, Tim Henman," he said.

He admitted that some changes have been for the good, but asked: "What are the men left with?"

He said that, while men measure themselves in terms of their jobs, many traditionally male careers no longer exist.

"Men gauge themselves in terms of their career, but many of those have disappeared," he said.

"All they are is sperm donors, and most women aren't going to want an unemployable sperm donor loafing around and making the house look untidy. They are choosing not to have a male in the household."
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All I have to say is; weh, cry me a fucking river.
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Old 08-16-2005, 05:19 AM   #3
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Well, I don't actually agree with him for the most part, but if he had talked about the negative portrayals and stereotyping of men in the UK/Irish media, particularly in advertising, then he would have a point.
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Sounds like a bad case of sour grapes.
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Old 08-16-2005, 05:28 AM   #5
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Any conservative leaning FYM'ers out there willing to say he has a point? Or are we all going to line up and accuse Michael Buerk of being bitter, having sour grapes, etc?
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No; their too emasculated to raise objections.

There is a balance; society pays the price if it goes to any extreme. It is probably more field specific ~ I doubt that you will see drastic changes in fields like engineering or construction.
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I am not familiar enough with UK media to determine the validity of his claim.

But, we have gone through years of pressuring companies to staff according to demographic goals.

Was this simple BS to generate jobs for protected classes? Or was this an honest goal?
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i was thinking about posting my thoughts on just this issue in the masculinity thread, but i was too tired last week to translate my thoughts into coherent sentences.

i do think that as women have progressed in public life, this has certainly threatened the traditional male identity. after being the financial provider and head of the household for centuries, men are no longer as essential in women's lives as they used to be. more and more women are capable of supporting themselves, and sometimes quite well. as men become less financially necessary to women, it makes sense that a male identity crisis would develop. and in some cases, as with the opinions expressed by the man in this article, this could be a good thing. the more equality women gain in society means the less we are willing to tolerate sexism and chauvenism.

did he really say that stereotypical "male" characteristics have been marginalized? oh, the irony.
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What exactly does "emasculated" mean? So if women have equality or some sort of perceived advantage in the workplace or elsewhere, that results in men being "emasculated" ?

Maybe if men like this guy and others started thinking differently, they might have better "people skills" .

I don't see how the difference in TV or in the decline in manufacturing can be blamed on women.
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Any conservative leaning FYM'ers out there willing to say he has a point?
What exactly is his point? That there's more women than men in his industry? Oh well. Sounds to me like those men are finally getting a taste of their own medicine.
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Well he has a point about there being no manufacturing anymore. But his point is despite himself - that's a factor of long historical changes, and you can hardly blame on feminists or any other enemy of the week the fact that countries like Britain don't do their business the way they did a century or two ago. None of which makes it right, of course.

'Men gauge themselves in terms of their career'? How nice, and what a lie. Life goes on, with or without a 'career'.
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Ah, the brainwashing of Feminazism.
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I agree. Maybe some men have spent so much time defining themselves and their "masculinity" in that one narrow way that they're neglected so many other aspects of themselves, maybe that causes them to have problems relating to and with women.
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I see the statement that men guage themselves largely in terms of their careers as being for the most part correct.
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Yes it may well be correct. I speak only for myself, and for me it is a lie.
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