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Old 05-31-2005, 02:41 AM   #1
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Memorial for the communists who died for us

I thought I´d thank the communists once. Here, we are celebrating the end of WW II 60 years ago. In that war, 20 millions of Russians died.

The Russians were instrumental in ending WW II; without them, it probably would not have worked, Hitler would have been too strong.

So thanks to the commies for freeing us and ending a brutal dictatorship. We are not forgetting that.
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Good point. Many more Russian soldiers died in WWII than any other allied power.

You are right of course. Only when Hitler invaded Russia was it clear that he had bitten off more than he could chew.
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No, blame the communists for the excessive deaths of Russian soldiers, Stalins broad tactics combined with the strategy of massive rushes cost many lives unneccesarily. The communists also brought about renewed brutal dictatorship to many after the war.

A great debt is owed to those who fought in the Great Patriotic War and that should not be understated but Stalin arguably did a lot more harm than good in directing the war effort and liberation from Nazi tyranny was sadly followed by 50 years of Soviet tyranny.
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...at which point HipHop will declare this a memorial thread and ask you to take your political views elsewhere.

I can't believe how predictable fym has become.
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Good point. Many more Russian soldiers died in WWII than any other allied power.
WWII? or WWI?

I thought it was WWI where the Russians lost the most amount of soldiers. Mind you, I could be completely wrong.
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...at which point HipHop will declare this a memorial thread and ask you to take your political views elsewhere.

I can't believe how predictable fym has become.
Then I will say fine and still give reverence to the many brave Russian soldiers who fought against fascism not for the cause of international communism but out of nationalistic spirit and for their very survival.

They also led the way with amazing machines, such as the IL-2 Sturmovik and the T-34 (sloped armour is very good).
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although , i would prefer , if you use the term soviet people or russians , instead of communists
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Actually, thinking about it, the most lives lost in all wars would be by cows. There's a lot of leather in army boots. Or at least there used to be.........
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although , i would prefer , if you use the term soviet people or russians , instead of communists
Like it or not, even if you are allergic to the term communists, without doubt most of the soviet soldiers who fought in WW II were communists. There is no reason why they, and their political and moral values, shouldn´t be respected for the fight against the Nazis.
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...at which point HipHop will declare this a memorial thread and ask you to take your political views elsewhere.
No, I am not that stupid. In this thread you can say what you think - it is intended to be a memorial thread, but discussions don´t hurt. I´m strictly against censoring anyone.
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Soviet forces were forced to adhere to communist ideals, if I recall. Not being loyal to it was big trouble for any individual.
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Soviet forces were forced to adhere to communist ideals, if I recall. Not being loyal to it was big trouble for any individual.
Oh indeed, but I seem to recall that in the 1950's (in particular) not adhering to capitalist ideals was big trouble for any individual in certain Western countries.
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Doesn't history just make your heart swell?
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Why is it difficult to believe that some people wanted to be communists?

On a personal note I started working for Oxfam shortly after individal pay cheques were introduced. Previously the office was paid by head office and the staff divied the office pay according to need. It would have been interesting to be a part of that arrangement.

Well, thats probably closer to Socialism as the government wasn't involved but my point is, some people in Russia did actually choose to be communists.
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