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Old 07-31-2006, 02:02 PM   #31
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If you only want to see what you want to see, you'll never see beyond that.
You realize, of course, that this cuts both ways.
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I never saw The Passion, I don't need Mel Gibson or anyone else to show me Jesus beaten to a bloody pulp for two plus hours in order to know what Jesus and his sacrifice means to me. I know of his suffering, I don't need it depicted on screen in order to know that. But far more offensive to me is the thought that he used that movie as a vehicle in which to display his anti-Semitic thoughts and ideas. That goes against everything that I believe Jesus stands for and everything I believe in and stand for. I am certainly even more glad now that I never saw it.
How could you know it was a vehcile for anti-semitism if you never saw it?
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How could you know it was a vehcile for anti-semitism if you never saw it?


there has been lots and lots and lots written about it.

there's also this:

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there has been lots and lots and lots written about it.

there's also this:

That dosent mean anything. He portrayed non-jews as bad guys who helped Jesus get crucified also.
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That dosent mean anything. He portrayed non-jews as bad guys who helped Jesus get crucified also.


who? the Romans? did the Romans actually do the executing? wasn't crucifixion a specifically Roman way to execute someone?

i would think the bigger question is why Pilate was portrayed so, so sympathetically.
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"Lots and lots." You realize that the head of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League refused to label the film anti-Semitic, don't you? (The closest he would come is to say that it might incur some anti-Semitic ideas...a statement so broad and vague as to be ultimately meaningless.)

There's already a perfectly open thread on this topic, so I don't mean to hijack this one.

My post above in response to anitram stands. Saying "If you only want to see what you want to see, you'll never see beyond that," cuts both ways.
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The crowd that wanted the crucifixion of Christ had a mixture of people and not just the jews
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The crowd that wanted the crucifixion of Christ had a mixture of people and not just the jews


though you'll note that the androgynous Satan character slithered through and around the Jews.
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And what that is supposed to symbolize that the Jews are Evil and the ones responsable for his death?? HogWash
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"Lots and lots." You realize that the head of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League refused to label the film anti-Semitic, don't you? (The closest he would come is to say that it might incur some anti-Semitic ideas...a statement so broad and vague as to be ultimately meaningless.)



andrew sullivan, christopher hitchens, charles krauthammer, frank rich ... all very influential columnists from all sides of the political spectrum all wrote long pieces about how anti-Semetic the film was. and that's just for starters.

the head of the Jewish ADL has lots to lose by potentially alienating the millions of devout Christians who spent $300m on an ultra-vilolent snuff film.


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My post above in response to anitram stands. Saying "If you only want to see what you want to see, you'll never see beyond that," cuts both ways.
yes, it does, so what happens is that people with different viewpoints must present their case and defend what it is they have seen, which i did quite fully in the thread i cited above, so i feel no need to dig up old posts. i don't think there's any blatant anti-Semitism in the film, but that doesn't mean the film isn't anti-Semetic. Gibson is a better filmmaker than that.
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What that is supposed to symbolize that the Jews are Evil and the ones responsable for his death?? HogWash

So if he had it running by the "Chrisitans" or some other group would you still call it anti-semetic??
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And what that is supposed to symbolize that the Jews are Evil and the ones responsable for his death?? HogWash


yep, pretty much. he merges through and defines the murderous crowd. Satan's own people, no?

the villiany and culpability of the Jews is depicted with numerous cinematic conventions. it needed be so obvious as a simple line in a script, especially in a film where the script is rather unimportant.
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the head of the Jewish ADL has lots to lose by potentially alienating the millions of devout Christians who spent $300m on an ultra-vilolent snuff film.
Would you call Quiten Taranteno's films snuff films, such as Kill Bill?? Or only movies made by Mel Gibson. Would you walk out of Apocolypto if it was ultra violent???? Because you do know the Mayan Civilization although advanced, practicied human sacrafice and slaughtered there enemies.
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yes, it does, so what happens is that people with different viewpoints must present their case and defend what it is they have seen, which i did quite fully in the thread i cited above, so i feel no need to dig up old posts.
Read the thread you directed us all to again. That's exactly what happened.

If you only see what you want to see, then that's all you'll see. But that's hardly all there is.
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What about Martin Scorcesses film on "The Last Temptation of Christ??
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