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Old 10-11-2006, 02:45 PM   #241
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Old 10-11-2006, 05:08 PM   #242
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So drinking and running your mouth off offenind people is a hate crime now? You should go out on a saturday night you´ll see all kinds of hate crimes. Oh yeah, go to the stadium and watch any game were beers are being sold. Thousands of hate crimes right there.
You don't get it, I'm referring to your blanket statement regarding personal preferences and comparing anti-Semitism to Coke and Pepsi. That is what you were doing isn't it? At least that's the way it came across.

And drinking doesn't make someone an anti-Semite, and is certainly no excuse for the hateful words he used either. It certainly does affect everyone else. Did Hitler just have a "personal preference"? I'm not comparing Mel to Hitler, just asking you.
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I honestly don´t see Mel doing all the things Hitler did any time soon. So whatever he thinks is really his POV and he can do whatever he wants with it.

All I´m trying to say is that since he´s a public figure that´s why we´ve spent 16 thread pages discussing his personal preferences. Even if you do manage to force Mel to change his views you´ll still have other "anti-semites" in the world that you haven´t heard of because they´re not millionaire actors/directors.

So, yeah, I stick by what I said that you´re blowing this completely out of proportion.
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I honestly don´t see Mel doing all the things Hitler did any time soon. So whatever he thinks is really his POV and he can do whatever he wants with it.

All I´m trying to say is that since he´s a public figure that´s why we´ve spent 16 thread pages discussing his personal preferences. Even if you do manage to force Mel to change his views you´ll still have other "anti-semites" in the world that you haven´t heard of because they´re not millionaire actors/directors.

So, yeah, I stick by what I said that you´re blowing this completely out of proportion.
Well maybe some of us don't tolerate hate as much as you do.
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I honestly don´t see Mel doing all the things Hitler did any time soon. So whatever he thinks is really his POV and he can do whatever he wants with it.

All I´m trying to say is that since he´s a public figure that´s why we´ve spent 16 thread pages discussing his personal preferences. Even if you do manage to force Mel to change his views you´ll still have other "anti-semites" in the world that you haven´t heard of because they´re not millionaire actors/directors.

So, yeah, I stick by what I said that you´re blowing this completely out of proportion.

He's a public figure, but his actions and outbursts represent the attitudes of a LOT of "normal" people, unfortunately.

Personally, I think blaming the booze is a rather half-ass excuse. In my experience, alcohol doesn't change people's views, it only instigates them. You get to see people act out what they really believe without hiding behind their facade of knowing they are wrong.

I won't go so far as to label Gibson an anti-Semite, since I've really only read the last few posts of this thread and that's a very harsh accusation to make on a whim, but I do think your logic makes no sense. Someone can't be held accountable for being for or against something until they demonstrate the level of hate/commitment that Hitler has?

Racism is not defined by actions, but attitudes.
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Well maybe some of us don't tolerate hate as much as you do.
You'll tolerate comedians who say that the love black people but hate niggers (Chris Rock) or WetBack Mountain (Mencia)

Dont say oh well there comedians so it's ok. Racial callinig should never be tolerated. Cause remember young people watch these stand up comedians.

Or is it only ok to say these words if your joking?
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You'll tolerate comedians who say that the love black people but hate niggers (Chris Rock) or WetBack Mountain (Mencia)

Dont say oh well there comedians so it's ok. Racial callinig should never be tolerated. Cause remember young people watch these stand up comedians.

Or is it only ok to say these words if your joking?
I've already made my point on this.
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Can you show me it.
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Can you show me it.
I'm quoting from another thread:

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As much as I don't always like jokes based on stereotypes, it's fair game when you're also self-deprecating to your own sex or race. It's an act, usually fair game to all races and it's meant to be observational and humorous, not for someone to feel inferior.
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It still does not make a difference. Whether there making fun of there own race or not.
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It still does not make a difference. Whether there making fun of there own race or not.
So you think they hate themselves?
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Why would they if there making millions. So Mel Gibson goes on a drunken Rant and now the world hates him. Mencia, Rock, Chappelle Andrew Dice Clay, etc.... Spew the same shit and there funny and nothing wrong with that. Way to set your priorities. You all must hate Catholics.

And since you want to follow the ways of Jesus, what happened to forgivness and loving your brothers and sisters. (Example Mel Gibson)
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Why would they if there making millions. So Mel Gibson goes on a drunken Rant and now the world hates him. Mencia, Rock, Chappelle Andrew Dice Clay, etc.... Spew the same shit and there funny and nothing wrong with that. Way to set your priorities. You all must hate Catholics.
You missed my point. When Chris Rock makes these comments does he hate black people? Including himself?

When Mel goes on a rant about Jews causing every war, does he hate?

I could give you answers if you'd like? Here's a clue, one is 'yes', one is 'no'.
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And since you want to follow the ways of Jesus, what happened to forgivness and loving your brothers and sisters. (Example Mel Gibson)
Have I anywhere said I haven't forgiven anyone? That doesn't mean he doesn't need to be held responsible for his actions.
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So yes he is a racist. So I am going to now say all comedians are Racist.

You didn't anwer my question since you into forgiving.
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