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Old 01-20-2005, 01:28 AM   #1
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For those of you thinking about becoming a vegetarian or those of you (like me) still eating meat. Here's something to consider.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=mym2002

Beware, this video is really very disturbing.
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First off, I'm glad someone posted something about Peta. Not that I'm crazy about them, but because animal rights are things we don't discuss very often.

I do wonder though, how everyone in Peta can be a vegetarian. This video was sad to watch. I would think that our will to survive would be threatened if everyone was a vegetarian. How would we have enough food? Where and how would we get enough food?

I don't know how I would give up meat, but I do think killing an animal for fur is pretty vicious. According to Pam Anderson, the animals are anally electricuted. (ouch!)

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man that was freakin depressing.
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I do wonder though, how everyone in Peta can be a vegetarian. This video was sad to watch. I would think that our will to survive would be threatened if everyone was a vegetarian. How would we have enough food? Where and how would we get enough food?

i'm not going to watch the video, because i've seen these things before, and all they do is keep me awake at night.

that said, i think that if everyone were vegetarian -- i'm not, but i wish i could be ... i don't eat beef, though -- the world would be a vastly better place. simply, it takes one pound of grain to make one pound of bread, and 10 pounds of grain to make one pound of beef. also, livestock animals produce immense amounts of waste (piss and shit, basically) that then get into our lakes, rivers, and streams. this is why i don't eat beef. in addition to being a rather fatty source of protein, cows are the biggest culprits when it comes to waste pollution and consumption of grain. and it makes you fat.

while i would never criticize someone for eating beef, i do wish we made better decisions as consumers. just because soemthing is available, and you can afford it, doesn't mean that 1) you deserve it, 2) you need it, 3) you have some sort of inalienable right to it. it's like SUVs -- i can see the use, especially in the snow. but why anyone in southern california or florida needs a 13mpg HumVee is beyond me. i would never pull an "Earth First!" and smash up the windows, but they do disturb me since its such an obvious waste.

i also think we don't realize just how much our decisions to consume certain products affect other people. sure, you enjoy driving your gigantic SUV, and you might tell youself, "well, my kids are safer in an SUV!" lovely. what about the poor woman in the 1993 Honda Civic who you roll over? what about the hours i have to spend waiting in traffic because i have to drive on an overcrowded road that was never designed to hold an army of mini-tanks shuttling children from one activity to the next? don't you see that your horribly fuel-ineffecient cars is depleting natural resources rapidly, is causing politicians to support horrible ideas like drililng in ANWAR, and providing yet another impetus to go to war with certain Middle Eastern countries?

yes, it is a free country; i just wish we were more conscious of how we consume.

anyway, back to vegetarianism ... like abortion and the death penalty, this does not concern me morally. i don't view it as moral or immoral to eat animals -- but i do think it makes much more sense to be vegetarian.
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peta is a nutjob organization, this is propaganda of the worst of the worst made to look like this sort of animal abuse is the common thing.

Cattle are skinned while fully conscious! Haha, what a bunch of bullshit! Anyone who's dealt with a dying animal knows that this just isn't something that's done. First off, a dying animal is usually extremely dangerous- especially somethign the size of cattle. Second off; why the hell would someone try to skin a live animal? It'd be moving, kicking...ect. Maybe the people at PETA don't know that when something dies, it's nerves make limbs jump all over the place and twitch. Sorry, this doesn't mean that the chicken/pig/cow are still alive. I suppose by their logic, when a chicken gets it head cut off and starts running around, it's still fully consious even without a central nervous system.

Well, I'm off to pick up my groceries, some steaks, eggs, milk and pork roasts
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while i would never criticize someone for eating beef, i do wish we made better decisions as consumers. just because soemthing is available, and you can afford it, doesn't mean that

1) you deserve it
2) you need it
3) you have some sort of inalienable right to it

it's like SUVs -- i can see the use, especially in the snow.

yes, it is a free country; i just wish we were more conscious of how we consume.

anyway, back to vegetarianism ... like abortion and the death penalty, this does not concern me morally. i don't view it as moral or immoral to eat animals -- but i do think it makes much more sense to be vegetarian.
I think those from Peta would definately see this as a moral issue, just speaking for them. Good points have been made about consumerism, and I think you're totally right. On a different thread, I was given the link to a debate between an atheist scientist and a Christian philosopher (theology and science aren't exactly the point here). The scientist believes that vegetables have a moral right not be be eaten, and that mountains have a moral right not to have tunnels built in them. He believes that it contradicts with our moral right to survive.

I don't exactly believe in what the guy has to say, but I thought about it, and the more I thought about it, the more I thought about how we consume just because we can. It all comes down to this question: Is this extra hamburger that I want really necessary? I've already fulfilled my needs for survival with a meal, and I'm actually debating on whether this cow was killed in order to support my lust after another hamburger or to meet the needs of the next guy in line who's stomach is growling.
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For those of you thinking about becoming a vegetarian or those of you (like me) still eating meat. Here's something to consider.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=mym2002

Beware, this video is really very disturbing.
Instead of becoming a vegetarian you could chose to eat ecologic produced meat. At least the animals will have a better life.

I had a agricultural education and i know that all those things happen, i did cutt the balls of little porks,. ..i worked in a leg chicken farm for a year and all those awfull things do happen. I am ashamed of it now and i would be glad that everyone would watch that video.


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i was afraid this was about

Arnold's old pick-up lines, whew




red meat is killing us

talk to any M D

heart disease, coronary disease, hyper tension


keep pounding the big macs

they are pounding your heart

we can kill the cows first
but they win in the end

and then there is always this
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Six cows in U.S. traced to diseased herd from Canada

BY JEANNINE OTTO

SVN NEWS REPORTER


An official from the Illinois Beef Association voiced doubt today about whether a ban on Canadian cattle should be lifted after it was announced that U.S. officials are tracing six cows shipped into the U.S. from the same herd in Canada as a cow with mad cow disease.

"I think the industry's position is that we have got to have a lot more answers before that ban can be lifted," said Marilee Johnson, executive vice president of the Illinois Beef Association.

Johnson said a ban on feeding ruminant animals feed containing cattle remains has been voluntary in the United States since 1996 and mandatory since 1997. In Canada the ban has been mandatory since 1997. The fact that the most recent animal found with the brain-wasting disease is younger than that ban raises more concerns.

"The industry has great concern over whether their feed ban is being enforced," Johnson said. "We feel strongly that it's one of the important firewalls we have."
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I was a vegetarian for 18 years, but I recently got over it. Now I eat organic meat produced under humane conditions and I feel much better. A vegetarian diet for so many years left me nutritionally depleted in ways I cannot even begin to get into--and I was "good" vegetarian; I ate really well. It wasn't the right diet for me, I know that now. But others may do just fine as a vegetarian. Everyone's different.
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I was vegetarian for 16 years, until the birth of my first child and couldn't replace the iron quickly enough.

I haven't watched the video, I can't watch that sort of thing but I would like to ramble in general

Theres a couple of different arguments as to if you are gong to eat animals, which meat should it be:

1) fish and other animals further down the food chain ie the animals perceived to be not very bright nor emotional / affectionate

or

2) cows and other large animals because you can get more meals for the one death.

Whats your opinion on this. 1) or 2) or another option?
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i once heard someone say, "i'm a vegetarian unless it looks really good."

i thought that was priceless.

i don't eat cute animals. like bunnies and stuff.

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I do wonder though, how everyone in Peta can be a vegetarian. This video was sad to watch. I would think that our will to survive would be threatened if everyone was a vegetarian. How would we have enough food? Where and how would we get enough food?
We'd have plenty of food, probably more than we do now.

I've been a vegiterian for 6 years. Sometimes it's a little difficult because restaurants don't exactly have the best choices for vegetarians but I make do. Of course you do have to rethink everything and learn how to replace those certain items missing out of your diet when you remove meat, but once you figure all that out it's pretty easy.

I'm healthier than I ever was that's for sure.
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