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Old 02-23-2005, 05:20 AM   #16
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Who is the real Mitt Romney?

It's not what he says, but what he doesn't that is raising eyebrows back home as Gov. Mitt Romney hits the 2008 presidential campaign speaking circuit.

ON CIVIL UNIONS:
# In Massachusetts, the governor said for months he opposed Vermont-style civil unions but then cobbled together the Republicans needed to pass a constitutional amendment in the Legislature that bans gay marriage and creates civil unions. Romney says he did so only because it was either that or allowing gay marriage completely.

# On the ``Road to the White House,'' Romney doesn't mention the tacit support for civil unions - saying only that he has been opposed to civil unions ``from day one.''

ON ABORTION RIGHTS:

# During his 1994 and 2002 campaigns, Romney eschewed labels of ``pro-choice'' or ``pro-life,'' saying he is personally opposed to abortion but would keep all Bay State protections legal. His running mate in 2002, Kerry Healey, said there wasn't a ``dime of difference'' between Romney and Democrat Shannon P. O'Brien - who is pro-choice.

# On the ``Road to the White House,'' Romney is now calling himself ``personally pro-life.'' His position hasn't changed, but he is now touting the ``pro-life'' label.
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I think it is a JOKE the way the press is portraying him. I think the fact that he was able to move beyond his "personal politics" shows that he is able to work with people of other views.


The "flip-flop" label was attempted on him before, and it did not fly with the voters.


Sorry, but here in "democratic" Massachusetts the man was elected. If he runs again, he will be re-elected.
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I think it is a JOKE the way the press is portraying him. I think the fact that he was able to move beyond his "personal politics" shows that he is able to work with people of other views.

The "flip-flop" label was attempted on him before, and it did not fly with the voters.

Sorry, but here in "democratic" Massachusetts the man was elected. If he runs again, he will be re-elected.
I'll try to be honest here. Kerry is not the only politician we know to "flip-flop." Howard Dean did it, and George W. Bush has done it. I don't know enough to say that we should get hung up over a politician that is reaching for centrist appeal.
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If Interference is still around in 08 diamond, you can post lots o' hot pics of Mitt
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Sorry, but here in "democratic" Massachusetts the man was elected. If he runs again, he will be re-elected.
That's because Massachusetts is loathe to give the Democrats a literal dictatorship. They're more contented giving Democrats a de facto dictatorship, as they still have 3/4 of the Legislature and will regularly override his vetoes.

And all the gay marriage flack? The legislature, apparently, has gotten even more liberal since I lived there. I'm so glad Finneran is gone.

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i'd like to think that every kid has the right to good parents who love them.
Aaaaaaannnnnnnd thank you. That pretty much says it all.

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mitt 08


won't happen

maybe liberal MA will elect a non Christian

the GOP primaries will not
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If Interference is still around in 08 diamond, you can post lots o' hot pics of Mitt
But if Mitt is so sexy, why doesn't he have his own psychedelicrepublicans card?

http://www.psychedelicrepublicans.com/cards/index.asp
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Massachusetts governor resigned to defeat on stem cell bill


BOSTON (AP) -- Gov. Mitt Romney said Friday he knows he can't stop a bill that would give scientists more freedom to conduct embryonic stem cell research, but he promised to "vote my conscience" and veto it anyway.

The bill passed the state House on a 117-37 vote Thursday night, a day after the Senate approved it 35-2 -- margins that would easily override any veto.

"I'll vote my conscience, but this is one that the story is complete," Romney said Friday.
"I'll vote my conscience, but this is one that the story is complete," Romney said Friday.


What the HELL does that mean?



Does he have a constituency of one?

Why does he not do what the people of his state want?
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My mind is going into overload.

I am SO confused.

And Kerry was a "flip-flopper"?

I admit Dubya is the KING of flip-floppers but this one might give a him a run for his money.
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"I'll vote my conscience, but this is one that the story is complete," Romney said Friday.

What the HELL does that mean?

Does he have a constituency of one?

Why does he not do what the people of his state want?
In Massachusetts, the governor has essentially been reduced to a figurehead, because of the more than 3/4 of Democrats that populate both chambers of the Legislature. I believe it has become even more Democratic since I moved away too.

As such, Romney can play the role of the "martyr" all he wants. I think the only reason Massachusetts has even elected Republican governors since Dukakis was ousted is because they don't want to give the Democrats a literal dictatorship. They'd rather give them a de facto one.

Of course, now that the biggest and most arrogant asshole in Massachusetts politics is gone, former Speaker of the House, Tom Finneran, I tend to think people might be willing to consider electing a Democratic governor again, as long as he or she does not appear "entrenched" with the former party machine. That's what killed Shannon O'Brien when she lost to Romney in the last gubernatorial race. She was sickeningly entrenched.

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Most politicians flip flop. That doesn't make it right. It really defeats the purpose of politics.

When I'm deciding who I'm going to vote for, for who I think is going to be the best leader, I really don't want to listen to the candidates BS their way through everything, say whatever they have to say get votes. I know that's the way it is, but I HATE it. It reeks of politicians caring more about their own wellbeing then about being a good leader, and that is just stupid. All I want is a politician that speaks his/her mind, says whatever he/she truely feels, regardless of whether it makes people love or hate him/her.

That said, I'd prefer it if the person speaking their mind was a flaming, heart-bleeding liberal democrat and that everybody loved them. Oh well. One can fantasize.

Politics is dirty business.
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Most politicians flip flop. That doesn't make it right. It really defeats the purpose of politics.

When I'm deciding who I'm going to vote for, for who I think is going to be the best leader, I really don't want to listen to the candidates BS their way through everything, say whatever they have to say get votes. I know that's the way it is, but I HATE it. It reeks of politicians caring more about their own wellbeing then about being a good leader, and that is just stupid. All I want is a politician that speaks his/her mind, says whatever he/she truely feels, regardless of whether it makes people love or hate him/her.
I agree, a lot of times I feel that their stances don't always reflect what is in their heart, but rather, what will make them popular.
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it took me a while to find this thread, but it's worth it to point out more flip-flopping



By Scott S. Greenberger, Boston Globe Staff | May 25, 2005

Governor Mitt Romney said this week in a nationally published interview that he is ''in a different place" on abortion than at the time of his first run for public office in Massachusetts, when he pledged to keep abortion ''safe and legal in this country."


His remarks were made during an interview with USA Today, which focused on Romney's unlikely success as a Republican in a Democratic state. But the comments were immediately seen by some close watchers of the abortion debate and presidential politics as a sign that Romney would shift rightward on the issue if he were to seek the GOP nomination for the White House in 2008.

''Understand, over time one's perspective changes somewhat," Romney told USA Today. ''I'm in a different place than I was probably in 1994, when I ran against Ted Kennedy, in my own views on that." The governor declined to elaborate.

Yesterday Julie Teer, the governor's spokeswoman, refused to explain how Romney's position has changed, saying only that it has ''evolved over time." Teer emphasized, however, that his ''commitment to the people of Massachusetts to maintain the status quo while he is governor has not changed."

Tacking to the right on abortion would make Romney more appealing to socially conservative voters in presidential primaries outside Massachusetts, but it would not play as well with the Bay State's liberal and moderate voters if he ran for governor again. Romney is expected to announce his intentions this fall.

When Romney was wooing Massachusetts voters in 2002, he said he supported Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, and promised not to change the state's abortion policies. He espoused the same position during his 1994 US Senate campaign against Kennedy.

''I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country," Romney said in an October 1994 debate against Kennedy. ''I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it."

In recent months, however, Romney has played up his personal opposition to abortion in out-of-state speeches; removed a reference to Roe before signing an annual proclamation celebrating access to birth control; tried to promote the teaching of abstinence to students; and declined to publicly back a measure expanding access to emergency contraception, even though he said he supported that goal during the 2002 campaign. He has said he will examine the proposal if it reaches his desk.

Massachusetts Citizens for Life says it considers Romney to be an abortion-rights supporter, and it is unimpressed with those moves. Romney spokesman, Eric Fehrnstrom, has repeatedly said that Romney's core positions -- personally anti-abortion, pro-parental consent, and in favor of a ban on what opponents call ''partial birth" abortion -- haven't changed.

But abortion-rights supporters detect a shift.

''Those of us who care for reproductive choice and freedom are concerned," said Melissa Kogut, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts. ''At a time when we need to be working together to reduce the rate of unintended pregnancy, the status quo is not good enough."

Angus McQuilken, public affairs director for the Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, said, ''It's just not credible to have one set of values when it comes to Massachusetts and another set of values when you decide you're going to present yourself to the voters nationally."

''We're very concerned with Governor Romney's shift to the right on reproductive health issues," McQuilken said. ''He made a number of commitments during his campaign for governor that he's frankly not keeping."

If Romney is preparing to change his abortion stance for a presidential run, he would be in good company: Ronald Reagan signed abortion-rights legislation as governor of California, and George H.W. Bush ran as a pro-abortion rights candidate in 1980. Both Reagan and Bush changed their minds and were solidly anti-abortion by the time they ran successfully for president in 1980 and 1988, respectively.

Some anti-abortion Republicans may give Romney some leeway, considering the political climate in Massachusetts. Before Romney went to Michigan to deliver a speech last March, a group in that state blasted him as a ''pro-abortion, pro-gay rights" liberal whose views were ''largely indistinguishable" from those of Kennedy and Senator John F. Kerry. However, the state legislators who attended the speech said they appreciated the political realities in Romney's home state.

But Tom McClusky of the Family Research Council said Romney will face a tough road if he runs for president in 2008. McClusky said that abortion is a more polarizing issue than it was in 1980 or 1988, and that Romney ''is going to have to do a lot more convincing" if he hopes to win the votes of social conservatives.

''For a lot of people, especially Christian conservatives, it's one of those black and white issues," McClusky said. ''You're either pro-life or not. That's the trouble with Governor Romney -- he's gray."
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