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Old 03-18-2004, 09:57 PM   #1
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Media Bias Rears its Head

How come when the United States is accused of atrocities, the press has NO PROBLEM publishing photographs?

When terrorists strike, the press edits, blurs, places rocks...ect...
Why? Is it to diminish the effects of the terrorism? Is it to prevent people from reacting harshly towards the terrorists?

Does this bother anyone else? Or is it no big deal

The real photo:



The Guardian:



The Times:




The Telegraph:



Well, shouldn't journalists present the truth? Is this acceptable? Or is it only acceptable to show how bad the US is?

Just curious.
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Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see any differences in any of the photos.

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Look at the body part in the first photo.....front left.....
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was that an arm that was erased from the other photos?
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or leg....
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Interesting...that's not good journalism. They should have published the first photo unaltered.

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I just saw this photo in the newest TIME magazine, and what I think you're pointing out is hidden there, too...but by the title in big red letters. If you look in the lower left, to the left of the tracks, it loos like someone's head that's been blown off. It's red in the first photo above, then brownish in the next one, then completely gone in the other two. However, they did leave in the man in the very first train window who looks to be dead.

As far as only showing atrocities when we do them: I don't know if I agree with you. I seem to recall that, during the "war," there were very few really graphic photos published in any mainstream magazine like the ones you could see online (children with brains blown out, people with missing limbs, etc.). I think, rather, that it's a difference of viewers/readers in different countries.

Here in the US, we are strangely (when you consider the ridiculous crap we watch on TV), sensitive to "graphic" images. When things first happen, cameras roll and we see things (such as the people jumping out of the towers on 9/11), but when time catches up, those things are deemed unseemly and off-limits. At the newspaper where I work, one of the editors had to spend hours going through every picture coming off the wires after 9/11 and pick what could go in the paper so as not to freak people out more than they already were.

I think that this is why we, as a nation, can be a little gung-ho on violence--we tend to live in a bubble when you compare our media to that in other countries.

I don't know if this really answers your question--it probably opens us up to more questions/comments, actually.
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I agree that good journalism should have shown the photo undoctored, but I don't think it has anything to do with media bias. I agree with enggirl.

I think the real reason is they are afraid someone like the FCC will come along and shut them down for obscenity.
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LOL...except these are British papers....

Now I have to go get TIME,,,,

I think of the horrible photo of the napalm victims from Vietnam. I think of the pictures of the boy who lost his limbs from Iraq.

It does not add up. I believe it is important to show the truth. The ugly truth of what the terrorists did.....just as it was important to show the consequences of our actions in these two wars.
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I agree that good journalism should have shown the photo undoctored, but I don't think it has anything to do with media bias. I agree with enggirl.

I think the real reason is they are afraid someone like the FCC will come along and shut them down for obscenity.
Ha! Especially considering the FCC has sorta overturned it's previous quasi-OK of Bono's "this is f***ing brilliant" from over a YEAR ago! But they're not going to fine him. So I wonder when the statue of limitations is up on "offensive" behavior?

I think's it's offensive that we are considered too delicate and unable to handle the absolute TRUTH. The truth--in photographs, etc.--is ugly at times and scary as hell...but wouldn't you feel better if you knew what was out there so you could try to avoid it? Sanitizing what we see just sanitizes what we think...(does that make any sense?)
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Heh...the FCC can't do a damn thing to them. Not only is it on paper, rather than the broadcast spectrum (the FCC's territory), but the press' freedom is protected by the First Amendment. No other medium has such wide discretion to tell the truth, no matter how frightening it is.

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Heh...the FCC can't do a damn thing to them. Not only is it on paper, rather than the broadcast spectrum (the FCC's territory), but the press' freedom is protected by the First Amendment. No other medium has such wide discretion to tell the truth, no matter how frightening it is.

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True, Melon, when we're talking about newspapers and mags. Unfortunately, I live in a rather conservative town and work at a conservative-ish paper. (Um, we don't like to quote people when they say that something "sucks"!). The upper-ups at the paper are in the position of protecting the virgin eyes of the town from anything unpleasant until it's been completely sanitized. (Hmmm...but "The Passion" is A-OK---oh, and this is NOT to start a big yell-fest on that, I'm just making my own little point about how, for some people, violence/gore is okay in one context but not another. 'nuf said.)
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Originally posted by melon
Heh...the FCC can't do a damn thing to them. Not only is it on paper, rather than the broadcast spectrum (the FCC's territory), but the press' freedom is protected by the First Amendment. No other medium has such wide discretion to tell the truth, no matter how frightening it is.

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OK first of all everyone I was being tounge in cheek. Secondly I said someone "like the FCC". I just think if things continue the way they are we may have Federal commisions for everything. Anyways back to the subject.
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Hello,

I don't know where I read it (maybe in the paper I bought last Saturday which had a large comments section on this photograph), but IIRC the reason they did edit the photographs was that the newspaper editor(s) thought it was too much. Even without the limb the photo portrays a horrible image.
Here in the Netherlands they did publish the original photo and got a lot of negative reactions (if it was really necessary to show that limb).

BTW, is it really not presenting the truth when a photo is edited like this?

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So what right wing blog did this one come from?

If you're trying to paint is as left-wing bias then I'd merely point out that the Telegraph is the most right-wing of all the broadsheet newspapers we have in this country, closely followed by the Times. Honestly, that liberal media bias.

As for the allegation that the press are willing to show pictures of US atrocities: the press show extreme caution in printing images from Iraq. I can't begin to count how many shocking pictures I've seen of "coalition" troops abusing Iraqis which haven't made it to the mainstream press. It is near impossible to have a decent understanding of the current situation in Iraq simply from reading the mainstream press.
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