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Old 04-12-2005, 01:36 PM   #16
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Priest were allowed to marry for, what, the first 1200 years of the Catholic Church?

I have read that the change was largely due to inheritance laws.


The Priests were major landholders with a lot of wealth.

Upon their death the oldest son stood to inherit and this did not sit well with Rome.
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yeah, what deep said.
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i've also heard that the church wanted to prevent the loss of property through inheritance. if the priests had no one who could inherit their property (sons from a legal marriage), the church retained their wealth. something like that. i think.
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i should read the entire thread before replying
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is an opus dei member actually a serious candidate?

yes,

for Chief Justice of U. S. Supreme Court.
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Do you know if they're inferring this from specific places/contexts in Scripture?
i'm really not sure, liv. anyone else know?
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from what i understand, the reasoning behind not allowing priests to marry is rooted in the alleged power of celibacy, which is supposed to be linked to spiritual cleanliness and purity. as holy men, they should be able to find the strength to rise above their bodily desires, and thereby better serve the church.


This is just complete bunk!

This creates self-loathing and sets an impossible standard for people to fail or become emotionally unstable


To be human is not a sin

This type of thinking is a crime against God's children


(not directed at you, dandy
this nonsense has been around a long time before you got here and is kept going by those who profit by it)
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couldn't agree with you more, deep.
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This type of thinking is a crime against God's children

Really?? Spiritual men and women have lived this way for centuries.
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that's true. more religions than catholicism have celibacy in their traditions. that's not to say that it makes it any more worthwhile though.
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That some would CHOOSE to be celibate is fine.

That it be mandated that ALL clergy be celibate has had disastrous effects and ruin untold lives.

It is an impossible standard.
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you make an important distinction.
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Really?? Spiritual men and women have lived this way for centuries.

Did this not begin with shunning just about everything?

All possessions, positions, relationships, even many foods?
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is an opus dei member actually a serious candidate?

i'm not catholic so i really haven't been keeping up with the whole election process.
There's two candidates linked to Opus Dei that have been thrown around. One is an Italian cardinal and the other is Brazilian.

Of course, to be fair, the next Pope could be absolutely anyone.

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i've also heard that the church wanted to prevent the loss of property through inheritance. if the priests had no one who could inherit their property (sons from a legal marriage), the church retained their wealth. something like that. i think.
This was the primary reason I've heard. It also doesn't help that the religious climate of the day was heavily anti-sex.

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