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Old 06-25-2007, 10:00 AM   #271
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I don't know, maybe I'm just too naive but I think she's a very genuine person. I am reading her book Saving Graces and I am impressed with her. I think she has heart and real empathy for people, she's not just all about politics and what's politically expedient.
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my guess is that, deep down, most of the Democratic candidates and their spouses are for marriage equality, it's just not politically possible to say that right now as the mainstream opinion is in favor of civil unions, but balks at the word "marriage."

i would also bet that Giuliani and McCain don't really care one way or the next, either, about allowing gay couples to marry. and Romney doesn either. unless the wind shifts.
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And thus, is the reason why the two-party system is bullshit.
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) —"John has been pretty clear about it, that he is very conflicted," she said. "He has a deeply held belief against any form of discrimination, but that's up against his being raised in the 1950s in a rural southern town."
And all presidential candidates are chicken-shit on this topic.
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And all presidential candidates are chicken-shit on this topic.


too true.

and i still don't understand the love affair some gays -- like, i dunno, the HRC -- have with the Clintons. they've thrown us to the wolves several times, and the new Bob Shrum book said that Clinton advised Kerry to actually come out for that horrid FMA in order to help his chances in some of the swing states.

and good for Kerry to ignore that advice.

i'm fine with the Clintons for the most part. but they hardly deserve to be treated as champions of equality.
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and i still don't understand the love affair some gays -- like, i dunno, the HRC -- have with the Clintons.
But who else is/was there?
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But who else is/was there?


Elizabeth Edwards?
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And all presidential candidates are chicken-shit on this topic.
Which, unfortunately, is a result of the two-party system.

That and the conservative misteachings of the Bible.
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The politicians who are chicken shit to say they support gay marriage are because they're afraid of the political consequences. When even so called liberal Democrats won't come out and say it (as opposed to "Bible thumping" conservatives) I think that's an indication of that. As soon as gay marriage becomes more widespread and mainstream the politicians will become less chicken shit about saying what they really feel. They are just chicken shit about most issues if you ask me.

The governor of MA openly supports gay marriage, he marches in gay pride parades too. Presidential politics still has to play it too safe.
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The politicians who are chicken shit to say they support gay marriage are because they're afraid of the political consequences. When even so called liberal Democrats won't come out and say it (as opposed to "Bible thumping" conservatives) I think that's an indication of that. As soon as gay marriage becomes more widespread and mainstream the politicians will become less chicken shit about saying what they really feel. They are just chicken shit about most issues if you ask me.
Because a politician needs the backing of a party to gain power, so they must conform to that party's agenda.

There's only two things needed to become a politician: money and a willingness to conform.
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And all presidential candidates are chicken-shit on this topic.
For once, I disagree with you. I don't see what is so chicken-shit about this...
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I believe that equality of opportunity should be afforded to all Americans regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or gender identity or expression. For that reason I support the right of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered persons to have the full protections and rights afforded under civil law including the right to marry the person of their choice.
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For once, I disagree with you. I don't see what is so chicken-shit about this...


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Over on this page I found my reason to consider voting for him.
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I have my doubts about him getting the nomination, but if he does, that's not a bad candidate right there.
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