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Old 04-09-2006, 02:04 PM   #61
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alright nbcrusader, let's say you got laid off from your posh 7ob three years ago, but since nothing has opened up to you since, you decide to take a 7ob you're overqualifed for 7ust for the fact it's a source of income... even if it's half of what you used to make, and that's not taking inflation into account (though in three years, it's not that much of a factor)

now you're part of a statistic that lumps you with the rest of the "employed".

don't complain now, you can always move your way up at your new 7ob, right??

statistics can be incredibly deceiving if not put into a proper context.
Why on earth should good nation wide economic news be discounted based on my own personal experience?

For those with short memories, the number one criticism of Bush just 4 years ago was the UNEMPLOYMENT rate!
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Certainly not the Republican Party. They redefined everything from "inflation" to "unemployment" in the 1980s to create rosy numbers for themselves.

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And Clinton made sure to change them back to "proper" context.
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And Clinton made sure to change them back to "proper" context.
Clinton didn't. He was a fool.

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There is no "value" in renting. You're literally throwing your money away, whereas home ownership allows you to put money in something that you can eventually sell.

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That is a fairly narrow view. Considering the load of debt that comes with home ownership, there are plenty of benefits from renting - from flexibility in living to a lower debt load.

And knowing plenty of people with large mortgages, the stress added to life is another cost not included in your calculation.
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You want to talk about "prior generations"?

1) My grandparents paid cash for their house in the 1950s.

2) My parents paid cash for new cars in the 1970s.

3) One of my doctors was able to work only over the summer to pay for an entire year for a private university.

So don't start jabbering about "prior generations." They went through life burning every bridge behind them.

If inflation was defined appropriately, rather than skewed against wages, we should be making, on average, millions of dollars a year just to have the same lifestyle as "prior generations."

So, yes, when WildHoneyAlways says you have a romanticized version of the past, I'd say that's right on the mark.

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Once again, look at all the non-essential items your average household has today compared to 30 years ago. Look at the number of cars the average household owns compared to 30 years ago. Look at all the technological improvements in society that impact daily life here in the United States.

Tell you what, if you think the 1970s were so great, consider moving to Argentina. The AVERAGE person there currently enjoys the same standard of living that the average American did in 1975 according to the UN Human Development Index trend chart.
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And have the luxury of complaining about life from the high speed internet connections.


oh, i am well aware of how lucky i am.

which makes it hard for me to turn around and sneer 'just work harder' at others.
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Once again, look at all the non-essential items your average household has today compared to 30 years ago. Look at the number of cars the average household owns compared to 30 years ago. Look at all the technological improvements in society that impact daily life here in the United States.
What's your point? You could say the same thing about households in the 1920's.
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^ yes, and what cost to the environment has all this extra, mostly unnecessary shit taken?

we're fatter, too.
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What's your point? You could say the same thing about households in the 1920's.
The point is that there has been a substantial increase in the average standard of living of Americans over the past 30 years.
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The point is that there has been a substantial increase in the average standard of living of Americans over the past 30 years.
But when has this not been true?
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The point is that there has been a substantial increase in the average standard of living of Americans over the past 30 years.

and over 60% of the population is overweight -- are we healthier? are we better?

and who needs half the shit we buy anyway.
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^ yes, and what cost to the environment has all this extra, mostly unnecessary shit taken?

we're fatter, too.
Most of these household items have probably had minimal effect on polution, in addition, when you add in all the recycling that occurs today that did not occur in the 1970s, Peoples household items have probably have less of an impact on the environment excluding the increase in the number of cars.

One of the most poluted countries in the world is China, and your average household in China has less items than the average USA household did in the 1970s, despite modern scenes from the big cities on the coast.
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and over 60% of the population is overweight -- are we healthier? are we better?

and who needs half the shit we buy anyway.
Were also living longer. People could eliminate being overweight if they would just cut their calorie intake to the right level and exercise 30 minutes a day.
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But when has this not been true?
The rate of increase in standard of living over the past 30 years has been faster than most other 30 years periods in USA history.
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There is little, if any, politically motivated civil unrest in the United States. Even for the third anniversery of the start of the Iraq War, the number of people at protest in the major cities was tiny, often only in the hundreds. In a country of 300 million people, a protest of that size is not even a seriously reportable event.

People get laid off in countries all over the world. That does not change the fact that the average person in the United States enjoys a standard of living that is the 10th highest in the world. It does not change the fact that the median annual income in the United States is $49,000 dollars, one of the highest in the world as well. The unemployment rate while not the only factor is a significant one, and a 4.7% unemployment rate is one of the best in the world.
by civil unrest, i meant many things one of which are poll numbers which show the republicans on the way out. when's the last time any president of the united states has had THIS bad of a showing at this stage of a presidency?

the world will re7oice when he and his republican criminals are finally ushered out.

but before i dare to forget, your bit about "only a few hundred protestors" is patheticly short of the truth. why do you waste your time with that? why?
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