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Old 04-11-2006, 02:58 PM   #136
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half the posts in this thread are by you and one other poster -- an involved discussion this is not, and it demonstrates what i was talking about earlier.

but this is idiotic, and proves my point.
You'll find that the average thread over the years will usually have close to half of its post from two or three people.
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Speaking of lacking in education, turns out to be Oprah's topic today.

According to OECD, US student rank 24th in math...that's behind Korea, Poland, Hungry and Slovakia.

http://www2.oprah.com/tows/slide/200..._284_101.jhtml
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Old 04-11-2006, 04:32 PM   #138
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Speaking of lacking in education, turns out to be Oprah's topic today.

According to OECD, US student rank 24th in math...that's behind Korea, Poland, Hungry and Slovakia.

http://www2.oprah.com/tows/slide/200..._284_101.jhtml
Guess which country is #1 when it comes to University level education?
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Do you mean enrolment or tested knowledge?
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Do you mean enrolment or tested knowledge?
I suppose you could say both as well as resources. I also don't mean just for undergraduates but graduates as well. There is a reason more people come to the United States to earn a degree than any other country in the world. Most people looking to get a PHD in a particular field are not going to Canada or Norway.
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Just not in math lol.
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Speaking of lacking in education, turns out to be Oprah's topic today.

According to OECD, US student rank 24th in math...that's behind Korea, Poland, Hungry and Slovakia.

http://www2.oprah.com/tows/slide/200..._284_101.jhtml
When I was a senior in high school, in a small rural town in the south, a new kid appeared in our class. He was from Iraq. We didn't have any foreigners in our town at the time. We didn't even have any Jews and only a handful of Catholics, and hardly anyone new had moved to our town the whole time I was in high school so a new student from Iraq of all places just blew our puny minds.

He was brilliant. He was lightyears ahead of us in every subject. We were both terrified of and fascinated by his brilliance and his foreign-ness.

The only things he lacked were creativity and a sense of humor, two things I value more than math skills. I can't believe how often I've wondered about the brilliant, humorless Iraqi since my country invaded his. I imagined that if he had gone back to Iraq after that one year in our high school he would have reported that Americans were hopelessly stupid.

To this day, my math skills are humiliating. Many of the most successful, creative and interesting people I know personally never even graduated from high school. One former colleague told me that his math scores were so low that someone called his parents on behalf of the state of California to inform them that their son was retarded. He went on to become an award-winning author and editor-in-chief of one of the largest publishing houses in the world.

I did terrible on all forms of standardized testing. I wasn't interested in academia. I went on to be an average student at a state university but ended up with a great job, and one much more satisfying than most of my friends' who went to better schools and excelled academically. I'm certainly not down on education and the US school system needs a huge amount of improvement, but you can't accurately evaluate intelligence, creativity, talent, imagination, or predict success, based on high school math scores. Individuals are too unique; we don't all fit in the box.

Sorry for that little digression, just wanted to offer some hope to anyone who thinks they might not do well in life if they didn't do well in school.
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Thanks for that...I think the opposite holds true as well...many people who've gotten the best education money can buy often suck at life or are successful by very shallow and vain measures.

Did you watch the Oprah show? Math scores seem to be the least of the education problem but I posted the stat here because STING has been trying to sell HDI as a magic number.
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Thanks for that...I think the opposite holds true as well...many people who've gotten the best education money can buy often suck at life or are successful by very shallow and vain measures.

Did you watch the Oprah show? Math scores seem to be the least of the education problem but I posted the stat here because STING has been trying to sell HDI as a magic number.
HDI is comprised of hundreds of different factors and for the purposes of what were discussing is a far more relevant number than your math statistic, Health statistic or poverty statistic or even all three of those combined.

The United States has one of the highest standards of living in the world and is obviously one of the best places to live on earth. Austria, Denmark and the Netherlands are good too, just not as good as the United States currently.
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Speaking of lacking in education, turns out to be Oprah's topic today.

According to OECD, US student rank 24th in math...that's behind Korea, Poland, Hungry and Slovakia.

http://www2.oprah.com/tows/slide/200..._284_101.jhtml
But check out our ranking of how students think they do in math. The US is #1 and South Korea is in the 20's.

But this address far too many other issues that the drop in the unemployment rate.
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HDI is comprised of hundreds of different factors
1. Life expectancy at birth
2. Adult literacy rate
3. Combined primary, secondary, and tertiary education gross enrolment rate.
4. Per capita GDP

Hundreds? Makes it easier to understand why the math rank is so low.
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But this address far too many other issues that the drop in the unemployment rate.
True and on the surface an increase in jobs is good news until you pull back the layers of truth and tell the broader story.
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What is the proper metric?

Is it the country experiencing the greatest immigration (given that people would be attracted to the best society)?
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What is the proper metric?

Is it the country experiencing the greatest immigration (given that people would be attracted to the best society)?
Proper metric for what exactly?
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Proper metric for what exactly?
What ever your after in your critique of the news presented by this tread.
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