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Old 10-05-2009, 11:53 AM   #91
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fuck the insurance companies. FUCK 'em.

'dem greedy muddaskunt.
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Um, ok...
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Old 10-08-2009, 01:39 PM   #93
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...EeRQbxCC0TNZHN

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White House's botched 'op'

By CHARLES HURT, Post Correspondent

WASHINGTON -- President Obama yesterday rolled out the red carpet -- and handed out doctors' white coats as well, just so nobody missed his hard-sell health-care message.

In a heavy-handed attempt at reviving support for health-care reform, the White House orchestrated a massive photo op to buttress its claim that front-line physicians support Obama.

A sea of 150 white-coated doctors, all enthusiastically supportive of the president and representing all 50 states, looked as if they were at a costume party as they posed in the Rose Garden before hearing Obama's pitch for the Democratic overhaul bills moving through Congress.

The physicians, all invited guests, were told to bring their white lab coats to make sure that TV cameras captured the image.

But some docs apparently forgot, failing to meet the White House dress code by showing up in business suits or dresses.

So the White House rustled up white coats for them and handed them to the suited physicians who had taken seats in the sun-splashed lawn area.

All this to provide a visual counter to complaints from other doctors that pending legislation is bad news for the medical profession.


But opposition to Obamacare is "orchestrated" and "astro-turfed" right?
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Old 10-08-2009, 02:28 PM   #94
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Newsflash: Presidents engage in corny photo ops!

If we all thought Obama was a god like you're always implying we do, INDY, then yes this would be shock. But guess what we know he's still a politician and not a diety.
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I think this was taken after Saddam was removed from power, the mission in Iraq.
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I think this was taken after Saddam was removed from power, the mission in Iraq.


too bad that 98% of the casualties in Iraq happened after this wonderful mission was apparently accomplished.
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too bad that 98% of the casualties in Iraq happened after this wonderful mission was apparently accomplished.
that's what i was thinking.

well, that and the fact that it looks like he's about to sneeze in that photo.
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too bad that 98% of the casualties in Iraq happened after this wonderful mission was apparently accomplished.
Why is it too bad? No one said they wouldn't. The mission was accomplished though.
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Why is it too bad? No one said they wouldn't. The mission was accomplished though.

and no one said the war would drag on indefinitely and be marked by 100,000+ civilian deaths. but that happened.

if you want to cherry pick a super-narrow definition of mission that's politically convenient for the time, that's fine.

you'll note that bush never said "mission accomplished" in the speech, and that's because Rumsfeld, of all people, cut it out of the original text.

what happened after said mission was or was not accomplished is now a tragedy for history.
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By BARBARA SHELLY
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Fifteen years ago, Bob Dole decided it was better to kill health care reform than to hand a Democratic president a historic victory.

Since then, praise be, he’s reformed his thinking.

In Kansas City this week, the former Republican Senate majority leader and presidential candidate added his voice — still strong at age 86 — to the push to help all Americans afford good health care.

“This is one of the most important measures members of Congress will vote on in their lifetimes,” Dole told an audience at the Liberty Memorial auditorium.

Dole and Tom Daschle, the former Democratic Senate leader, have been collaborating for months on a set of health care principles they think can achieve bipartisan consensus. Their efforts have earned him a rebuke from Senate Republicans, Dole said.

“We’re already hearing from some high-ranking Republicans that we shouldn’t do that (because) ‘That’s helping the president,’ ” he said.

Later, Dole identified one critic as a “very prominent Republican, who happens to be the Republican leader of the Senate.”

That would be Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

Dole, to his credit, is tuning out the interference. “I don’t want the Republicans putting up a ‘no’ sign and saying, ‘we’re not open for business,’ ” he said.

Good for him. But if McConnell is myopic enough to lean on an elder statesman, one can imagine the pressure on members of the caucus.

In their statement, Dole and Daschle said they had each “worked for years to reform the health care system and watched with frustration as efforts failed time and time again.”

That claim is misleading in Dole’s case. As Senate majority leader, he worked to achieve a compromise health care bill during Bill Clinton’s first term and then abruptly reversed course. “There is no health care crisis,” Dole asserted, and declared the GOP caucus off-limits to White House proposals.

Clinton pegs the change of heart to a memo written by Republican strategist Bill Kristol, who warned party leaders that a health care victory would empower Democrats “for a generation.”

Dole, asked recently by reporters about Clinton’s contention, doesn’t deny it. He obliquely blames “politics” for the failure of health care reform in 1994.

Today, Dole is promoting the bill up for a vote in the Senate Finance Committee as the most promising vehicle to achieve reform.

“I want this to pass,” he told the Kansas City audience. “I don’t agree with everything President Obama is proposing, but we’ve got to do something.”

His good advice to Congress today: Get something done. Give more Americans affordable access to better care. Change the incentives in health care to reward value, not volume. If you can’t fix everything in one bill, get 70 percent done and take on the rest later.

Since 1994, when Dole and others allowed politics to derail reform, the amount the average American spends on health care has risen an average of 5.5 percent a year — more than twice the rate of inflation over those 15 years. The ranks of the uninsured have increased.

Health care spending now takes up more than 17 percent of the total value of goods and services produced in the U.S. If we go an additional 15 years without reform, the Congressional Budget Office predicts we’ll be spending a whopping 25 percent of our gross domestic product on health care.
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The Finance comittee's bill has just passed, with Olympia Snowe being the only Republican voting in favor.

Whoopie. Hard to excited when there's no public option in it and when it still forces people who already have health insurance to keep it. Blowjob to the health insurance industry.

The One Hope remaining is that when this bill passes the whole Senate, it will have to be reconciled with the House bill, which likely is a much more liberal bill, and that maybe, just maybe, the House bill can win out. If Obama does anything other than promise a veto of any bill that doesn't contain a public option, he's a coward.
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If Obama does anything other than promise a veto of any bill that doesn't contain a public option, he's a coward.
Oh please

If anyone thought this would happen overnight they were naive, it takes compromise and steps in order to make big reform.
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Whoopie. Hard to excited when there's no public option in it and when it still forces people who already have health insurance to keep it. Blowjob to the health insurance industry.
I read something a while back that went something like this:

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It's the job of congressional Republicans to kill national health care.

It's the job of congressional Democrats to kill national health care while not making it look obvious that they're killing it.
Too true.
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Oh please

If anyone thought this would happen overnight they were naive, it takes compromise and steps in order to make big reform.
I think it's been conclusively shown that compromise and steps have taken you just about nowhere in 70+ years.

Sometimes you have to act boldly and do the right thing and not incrementally either. I believe this is one such occasion.
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