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Old 06-29-2010, 11:31 PM   #721
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In theory, I agree with this. Practically, I'm not so sure. Look, I grew up with out health insurance. We just didn't go to the doctor. I never had annual checkups, never went to the dentist even once as a child. We relied on God to care for us, and He did. My mom who is 63 years old, self-employed, and currently has a lump in her breast is uninsured. I think she should get it looked at, she doesn't want to because she can't afford it. I actually went online to find out what it would cost her to get a mammogram (thinking maybe my wife and I could pick up the tab)--$500. A biopsy will run between $1000 and $5000. She doesn't have that kind of money just lying around and neither do I. She says she's had "scares" before and it always turned out to be nothing, and she doesn't have the money any way, so it sounds like she's just going to ignore it and hope it goes away. I'll tell you, INDY, it sucks.


sorry, everybody. This is just all very real and personal to me right now. It's not just talking heads on TV anymore.
I'm sorry about your mom, Sean. That's really tough.
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I'm sorry about your mom, Sean. That's really tough.
Thanks. I'm not sure who to be more worried about right now, my mom or my sister. My sister is "poor enough" to get Medicaid (my mom makes too much to qualify)--she's been out of work for awhile and her husband's hours have been cut repeatedly so they're really scraping by. So at least she doesn't have to worry about paying for her treatment. But she's also in the hospital right now and my mom's not. So I don't know. This all started coming down in the past few days.

Ironically, I've been on here a lot trying not to think about it. . .and here I am thinking about it.
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"when your 6-year old gets cancer "

Every state, has Federal Money to insure every kid. If the kid doesn't have it, it's because the parent hasn't gone to get them signed up.
Is this what you're talking about?

Obama signs children's health initiative into law - CNN.com

Because your precious GOP opposed it and that Kenyan proposed it.
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I was referring to the ER docs, not to those volunteering at free clinics. I don't think there's an ER doctor in the country that would suggest that they only save the lives of those who can pay. Because after all, medicine is a "good" not a right.
And where will the ER docs practice their skill & compassion when the hospitals are forced to close the emergency room due to a financial drain that threatens the entire hospital?
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Ironically, I've been on here a lot trying not to think about it. . .and here I am thinking about it.
You can't not think about it. It's really tough.
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And where will the ER docs practice their skill & compassion when the hospitals are forced to close the emergency room due to a financial drain that threatens the entire hospital?
If I knew where to find the oh noes thing, it would be here.
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Look at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation. There is your anser... But they don't want that . Oh no. It works to good.
Well, Obama sure seems to be fan. I just checked their website and they had clips of him praising them.

But I'm confused since he is clearly the bad guy here and they are the good guys.

Could you explain more about how their system works and maybe elaborate on why Obama likes it so much? (Or is he just lying, and in truth he hates them?)

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We do it gladly.
Really? You haven't sounded very glad. Resentful maybe, but glad. . .not so much.
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what Sean's mother's issue proves -- perfectly -- is that contemporary medicine is vastly more expensive than it was in the 1940s. the idea that the magical free market -- which has done such wonders for our economy in recent days -- would somehow bring down the costs of a biopsy stretches credulity.

shocking, i know, but the average person doesn't necessarily have the out-of-pocket cash to cover somewhat unusual but hardly unheard of situations as Sean described.

when you need something, you'll pay anything for it.
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Cleveland Clinic is the model of how to do this. Everyone gets treated, and it is one of the best hospitals in the World.

Little Marcel, who's Grandmother got her feet cut off when she had cancer, but no where to be treated.. other than the Cleveland Clinic . Where she was treated for free? Remember her? and little M sitting their when Obama signed this bill ?.

Look at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation. There is your anser... But they don't want that . Oh no. It works to good.
So what is the Cleveland Clinic model? I hate to ask for a link, for we all know you don't know how to do that, but just tell us how do they provide free care and keep their doors open?
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And where will the ER docs practice their skill & compassion when the hospitals are forced to close the emergency room due to a financial drain that threatens the entire hospital?
Is this not happening now in the free market? Please answer honestly.
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Because your precious GOP opposed it and that Kenyan proposed it.

Oh, I don't think anyone here ever called into question "that Kenyan's" enthusiasm for growing government and spending other people's money.
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for growing government and spending other people's money.

no one did this more than Bush, problem was he decreased revenue as well.




if government grows to address a real, quantifiable, measured need -- like 40m uninsured -- why is that automatically a bad thing? why do you hate other people?
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I'll ask. Someone has to. LINK??

And, isn't this the dreaded, evil, SOCIALIST, GOVERNMENT insurance???
are you in Ca? OC ?

kids are kids.
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Oh, I don't think anyone here ever called into question "that Kenyan's" enthusiasm for growing government and spending other people's money.
You totally missed the context of my post, probably on purpose.
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