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Old 03-30-2010, 11:40 PM   #601
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Stubbornly carrying out the will of the majority of Americans who; in elections, polls and town halls were screaming, "Kill this bill and start over."


have you seen the polls recently?

but, while we're at it, let's just put every issue to a vote. do away with the lawmakers.

it works so well in California.
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Old 03-30-2010, 11:54 PM   #602
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Stubbornly carrying out the will of the majority of Americans who; in elections, polls and town halls were screaming, "Kill this bill and start over."
Well I would say the (very narrow) majority of Americans who disapprove of the health care bill as one whole piece of legislation known as "Obamacare" do so because they believe what the Republicans have said about it. Death panels, government takeover of your doctor's office, massive tax increases on the middle class, massive cuts to medicare, scary socialism, etc.

When you take out the main provisions individually, the majority of Americans(close to 60% in some polls) support health care reform.

Not a damn person would approve of it if it were how the right characterized it, and not a damn person, myself included would approve of things like the cornhusker kickback(though much worse was done to get votes under Republicans).

What the Republicans have done is use scare tactics, falsehoods and embellishment of the ugly parts of the process(again, inexcusable but present in almost all legislation) to tag the whole effort with a toxic label.

I do not let the Democrats off without blame here. I never heard a one of them, until very recently, go out and say "health care reform is good, and should pass because of x, y and z specific provisions that will be helpful to your families." No repetition of the main, good points of the bill, just talking in broad terms about a bill that had already been framed by the Republicans over the summer of 2009.

My frustration with the Dems now runs deep in that, with the right amount of control over their message, health care reform could have been passed in summer 2009 and we could have moved on to other important issues.

Safe to say no one calls me up before these decisions are made, though!!
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And yes, I'll call them Tea Baggers all I want.
You like the way it rolls off your tongue huh?
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Romney defends Massachusetts health care law - The Boston Globe

Just in case there was any doubt left that this is the most disingenuous, slimy, flip flopping excuse for a candidate we have seen in a very, very long time.

All this guy has ever been is a slippery, slick opportunist.

Notice he can not point out the obvious, major difference between Romneycare and Obamacare because it reflects poorly on him and his "fiscal conservative" credentials! Obama actually addressed costs, while Romney ignored this. That, for better or worse, is the only real substantive difference between the two.

If you look at the article, all of the objective outside advisers involved in the passage of both laws uniformly call bullshit on Romney!

Romney's ability to "get" anything is truly gone if he thinks that a pathetic showing in a 2008 primary where the base was far from enthusiastic about the ultimate winner is a sign that the country will be very receptive to him in 2012!

My Dad, who has passed on, would always say back in the early and mid 00s when Romney was governor of MA: "he has reached the highest office he will ever attain." And all of his political friends- Democrat and Republican, agreed. Us Massachusetts people find it quite amusing that Romney is talked about so much in the national forum. He was almost uniformly viewed as a joke and a lightweight when he was hanging out here. If you know anything about MA politics, you know that represented a stark contrast from popular Republican Governors Bill Weld and Paul Cellucci.

Despite his attempts at redoing his image 60 million times since then, Romney is no closer to proving my dad wrong!
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You like the way it rolls off your tongue huh?




or, chin.
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What do you mean?
i just meant that as much am radio and polls don't represent america, the big news machines do not either.
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i just meant that as much am radio and polls don't represent america, the big news machines do not either.
Right, I think that's why it's dangerous to claim anyone has the pulse on what the majority think.

Most polls ask maybe 1200 people a few questions, and they hope that statisically that will represent the people.

Even our government is a game of representation. We vote for someone, we hear their platform and they go... Have you ever been polled by your Senator on what you think of particular issues?

So I find it laughable that anyone thinks they know the pulse of the majority, and even if you did, the majority isn't always right.
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I get polled all the time.

I think it is because I am in that group. "likely voters"

I have voted 100% of the time in every single election, no matter how trivial it was.

Also, I do occasionally make contributions.


I think polls, especially a compilation of several, is a good indication of public opinion.

Some polls are thinly disguised 'push polls' to try an influence one to vote for or against someone. In CA we have several contested primaries. I have been getting calls claiming to be polls that begin with a question on immigration or taxes and based on an answer, they next ask you if you would likely vote for candidate X if he supported immigration reform, etc.
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or, chin.
So you got the reference? I still don't.
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“If you voted for Obama, seek urologic care elsewhere.
Changes to your healthcare begin right now.
Not in four years.”



http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...ewhere/?src=mv

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Fla. doctor's sign warns away Obama supporters

(AP) – 38 minutes ago

MOUNT DORA, Fla. — A Florida urologist is so upset with the new health care bill that he's posted a sign at his practice warning President Barack Obama's supporters to find another doctor.

The notice on Dr. Jack Cassell's Mount Dora office says: "If you voted for Obama, seek urologic care elsewhere."

Cassell tells the Orlando Sentinel he's not turning away patients, because that would be unethical. But the 56-year-old says it's OK with him if any Obama supporters chose not to see him after reading the sign.

The urologist also keeps Republican materials in the waiting room.

Experts say Cassell is toeing a thin line between right and wrong.

Doctors can't legally discriminate based on a patient's race, gender or religion, but civil rights laws don't explicitly protect political opinions.
Is this guy fit to be a doctor?

I guess he has his 'rights' to express his opinion.

But I wonder why he got into 'medicine' in the first place.
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But I wonder why he got into 'medicine' in the first place.
Exactly...

Any doctor that promotes a political agenda in his waiting room already is very questionable.
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Yeah, nothing worse than agenda promoting doctors.
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Hmm, let's see. One agenda involves giving more people access to affordable medical care. The other agenda involves denying people care because you don't like their politics.

I wonder which one's worse.
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“If you voted for Obama, seek urologic care elsewhere.
Changes to your healthcare begin right now.
Not in four years.”



‘If You Voted for Obama, Seek Urologic Care Elsewhere’ - Prescriptions Blog - NYTimes.com
Guess he only wants to take the piss out of Republicans.


You know, if this guy has his shorts in this much of a twist, I really don't think I'd want him messing with my nether regions anyway.
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