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Old 03-22-2010, 07:12 PM   #451
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who's is kidding who here

the anti-reform people knew that Stupak and his followers were their only chance of stopping this.

his last minute move, because he got the Hyde language he wanted, made them lose their minds.
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what's also pretty fucking brilliant is that Obamacare is just about the same as Romneycare in Massachusetts.

seeing that Mittens is, at this juncture, the presumptive GOP nominee, he'll now be forced to literally run against his own record.

there's that Obama judo for you again.

as ever, it's chess, not checkers.
RomneyCare will be hung around Mitt's neck like an albatross.

Nothing official here, but if Paul Ryan runs... he'll be the nominee in 2012. He was nothing short of brilliant in the health care summit, the rules meetings and on the House floor. It was fun flirting with Sarah but the landscape just changed.
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Except no one in the GOP will get behind his ownership society.
W put it out there and it sank like a rock.
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I can't defriend my cousins. But I can ignore their friends. Especially the two that have made gun references. I can't stand Pelosi either, but mentioning that a .45 is the first thought that comes to your head when you see her face is just a tad deranged.
Same with "I'm gonna buy my 9 millimeter insurance policy this weekend."

Who are you gonna shoot? Doctors? IDGI.
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They're not my friends, I don't even know them, but I'm not the reporting type anyway.

They'll regret what they said one day.
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Oh by the way, tacked onto the bill is the provision to completely nationalize the student loan program.

[sarcasm alert] Exactly the type of private enterprise, free-market-driven solution we've come to expect from this president and his radically pro-capitalist agenda.

Looks like it's going to actually save the guv'mint some money. Too bad.

Student aid overhaul passes House - latimes.com

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Eliminating the middleman would save the government an estimated $61 billion over the next decade.
And let the undeserving poor attend those liberal colleges and become educated elitists.

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About $36 billion of that would be used to increase so-called Pell grants for lower-income students. The legislation also allocates $2.5 billion to historically black colleges, $2 billion to community colleges
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and at least $10 billion to reduce the federal deficit.
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abortion should be the states rights, period not the feds.
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abortion should be the states rights, period not the feds.
Please, do not turn this in an abortion thread (or it'll probably be closed quickly). Besides, from what I understand nothing has changed with respect to the situation before ObamaCare so it's not worth derailing the thread.
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Nothing official here, but if Paul Ryan runs... he'll be the nominee in 2012. He was nothing short of brilliant in the health care summit, the rules meetings and on the House floor. It was fun flirting with Sarah but the landscape just changed.


first, i'm glad you're dumping Sarah.

and interesting about Ryan, and interesting to see what's going to happen with Mittens. we should have a clear idea of the field in about a year.
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and this thread is worth a read:

On (not) having health insurance
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Ryan can't possibly be worse than Palin or Jindal. I'm still giggling over his speech criticizing Volcano monitoring.

Well, the bill has been signed. Only took 20 pens to do so. Oh and shout out to the Lefties out there, handed not Socialists , as 3 of the last 4 Presidents have been southpaws. Thankfully we don't have to claim the W.
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Please, do not turn this in an abortion thread (or it'll probably be closed quickly). Besides, from what I understand nothing has changed with respect to the situation before ObamaCare so it's not worth derailing the thread.
not trying too, all i was saying was that the states should decide, I didn't express an opinion either way. i just don't want anyones personal convictions to be decided who is in the federal offices. handle it at the state level.

i didn't mean to offend anyone here

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i didn't mean to offend anyone here


i don't think you did offend anyone -- it's just that FYM has a very, very, very hard time discussing abortion, that's all.
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not trying too, all i was saying was that the states should decide

I presume you are young, comparatively speaking (I'm 54)


but this whole let the States decide is reminiscent of the 'anti - Civil Rights' movement.
If States decided, plural marriage might be legal in Utah, many States had laws on the books that prevented mixed-race marriages. And of course, 'States Rights' was the chant of slave holders , too.

I don't think you agree with those any of those positions.
But, the "let the States decide" puts you in their company.
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Sadly I was anticipating this.

I honestly do not understand how this bill and this President has stirred up so much hate. It baffles me. I can read and hear all the debates about the negatives surrounding this bill and anger over President Obama and it will never make any sense to me.
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