BVS
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It's good enough for the kids, the victims, and our military, but I deserve a company that decides if I need treatment based on if they will make a profit!
MANDATORY health insurance, part 2
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I could show you other lists, and it would depend on who's list it is, where countries are .
The other problem with these is the fact that we have more People than the Uk, or Denmark . So to base it on $$ per person doesn't really relate.
We actually end up 37 on most of the lists .
Primary care is a HUGE part of the problem.It IS the problem for most people I have acknowledged that from the begining. The BIGGEST problem is dealing with Medicare and Medicaid, and the insurance companies is getting approval for procedures. It is no easier from the Government, than it is from Insurance companies. Their is a problem when a hospital or Drs office has more accountants than Nurses.
I have 5 people for every 50 patients who do nothing but deal with medicare and insurance Cpomapanies. It is a huge part of the cost.
Adding a HUGE new, multi layer Government "agency" is going to fix that? NO . They cant even run the VA.
The other problem is Medicare fraud is HUGE as it is now .
The republican running for FL Gov used to own HCA , and under his watch, his company stole 2.7 BIllion dollars from Medicare. Biggest fraud ( that they caught) in history.
So yes, there is a primary care issue, but it it easily solved. Look at what Kentucky does. a Dr visit will cost you 5.00 bucks. Tests are included. You see the same Dr etc etc
Look at the Clevland Clinic. Once again a working examle of how to fix that problem. Easily. You don't destroy the Heart depatment at a place like the Cleveland Clinic to get people accesses to a Prmary Care Dr .
Leaders of UK, Saudi's , Canada , you name it, go to the Cleveland Clinic for hearts or Sloan in New York for cancer. Why? Why don't they go to their own hospitials?
If you are in an accident, we have the best trauma centers in the world. we are top of that list as we are in heart, cancer, and every other speciality. You want those trauma centers to be your GP ?
If you have a business, and part of it is very good, and part is not working, you tear down the whole business to fix the part that is not working? No, that would be insane .
There are many, many good working examples of how to fix the problems. Bush didnt deal with it, and this guy has a whole different idea of what it all means, and it is not about medical care.
The best way to look at is that yes, many countries have much better access to GP's, but their speciality and ability to move from GP to a cancer Dr or diagnosis SUCKS . That's why they all come here.
so, it is lest costly, way less, to fix the GP problem, which is getting much worse by the day. We are running out of GP's.
This will never fly, so really, it is a moot point. We are too culturally different than UK or Denmark . people scream at McDonalds when their 1.00 hamburger takes 3 minutes they will howl when they can't get a Mamogram or other speciality care. In Canada it takes 9 to 18 months to get a specialty surgery. Most people would die of cancer in that period. That's why they come here.
again, I believe this is a moot point. I do agree that we have a GP problem. this already has made it worse.
This bill isn't about healthcare. I don't believe it will pass the Courts.
Moonlit_Angel
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Doesn't strike me as all that surprising, unfortunately
.Christ. What a horrible story. I wish I had the money on me at this time, I'd gladly donate something to help the guy out. If I get the funds to do so, I'll definitely chip something in. I really hope he gets better as soon as physically possible-I'm so sorry for him and his family and friends
. There are some seriously messed up people in this world. I don't get it.
Angela
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Florida KidCare Elgibility I am not going to link every state for you . Every state has some version of this. Has for years .
Let me dig out her plan. She actually published it during the campaign
will provide.
One other question. If you feel that care stinks now, which is basically run by the Government, what makes you so sure they will get it right this time? Because of Obama? He will be long gone before it ever starts ( unless you count tanning beds)
martha
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So then the only reason you're bitching non-stop about this is the man who sponsored it? It would be okay if it weren't for him?
coolian2
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you didn't keep up with the thread about bono's back in eykiw if you're surprised by this guy
martha
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martha
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I looked at it recently. I'm about to give up. Maybe we'll get some ZC news from this.
If you know what I mean.
BVS
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Actually in some aspects Medicare is much quicker than other insurance companies and other aspects it's slower. I know when we had to apply certain devices or perform certain surgeries we could do so without written approval as long as it fit their guidelines. Other insurances would still require written confirmation and would often try and find an exception first in order to turn it down so that you would have to submit again.
And how do they keep their doors open?
Once again, do you have a link so that we can "look at the Clevland Clinic"? Their website doesn't exactly have spell out their business plan.
Do you think the current system or all those Republican "alternatives" were about healthcare?
martha
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So many examples, all of which are government programs.
maycocksean
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I don't understand the math. If the numbers are skewed by population then the United States should have a far lower dollar figure per person since we have more people, whereas the Netherlands should have a much higher number since their money is divided amongst fewer people. It's simple division.
Why does Obama like Cleveland Clinic so much? Or is he lying about like their approach (and if so, why do they have his endorsement on their web page?)
Remind me again--what's the new government agency that was formed under this law? And how will it be taking over all the hospitals etc in the country?
You keep making this ominous statement. What is it about then?
PhilsFan
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I just read the last ten pages, and Benji set an all-time record for unsubstantiated claims. It's going to be really difficult to measure what percentage of it is bullshit that he just made up. 40%? 80%? Hard to say.
BVS
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No, it's true.
Rahm made an announcement he's leaving(sorry that none of you or the rest of the world heard it), idealism is indeed the same as idealogue, the Club of Rome publishes their membership online and Bono is on it, the AARP is only 40% of what they were last year, there's a secret clinic that holds the key but the business plan is to remain unspoken, and clouds are made up of a combination of fairy dust and cocaine.
Truth.
Rahm made an announcement he's leaving(sorry that none of you or the rest of the world heard it), idealism is indeed the same as idealogue, the Club of Rome publishes their membership online and Bono is on it, the AARP is only 40% of what they were last year, there's a secret clinic that holds the key but the business plan is to remain unspoken, and clouds are made up of a combination of fairy dust and cocaine.
Truth.
nathan1977
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Well, that last bit actually is.
A_Wanderer
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Are you saying that most people with cancer die if they stay in Canada?
martha
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And that most Canadians come here to get health care?!
BoMac
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That is just flat out wrong.
A family member of mine (mother of a cousin by marriage) recently discovered she had cancer upon returning from a vacation and was immediately admitted to the hospital. After all the tests had been administered to determine exactly what she had, it was found that the cancer was at an advanced stage and immediately began treatment. It's too early to tell, but it seems like she'll be okay.
And last year I attended a friend's BBQ where I started talking sports with someone. He told me he no longer plays any competitive sports because he had surgery. Then he told me the story: In February of last year he started getting headaches. Then he collapsed a short time later and was rushed to the hospital.
Tests determined that he had a brain tumour. Within days he was operated on and the tumour removed. He now has regular checkups, and he can't do anything that involves physical contact that might result in a head injury. But he said he's never felt better in his life and is functioning like he did before.
In both cases they paid a grand total of $0. And they will always pay that amount and not have to worry about being dropped because of pre-existing conditions.
I cannot stress this enough: are there issues with our health care? There most certainly are, but I dare anyone to find a country that has a perfect system. There are none.
BUT with that said, I would much rather have our system, warts and all, than the one south of the border.
A_Wanderer
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What I can't grasp is how the US spends more taxpayers money per capita on public healthcare than pretty much all other industrialised countries.
Where is all this money flowing to?
Where is all this money flowing to?
quite a few do yes. Speciality care.
in a word, fraud and waste . again more accountants in the healthcare system here than Nurses.
Anyone seee the waste of the H1N1 vaccines .. the ones we were told that we were going to die if you didnt get one? BS
Very few people got it . The CDC was combining the number of seasonal flu with H1NI. so the numbers were totally false. I am not sure how many, but we saw very few.. very few. we didn't tak the shots either.
Follow the money of that contract. you would be surprised
That is not the norm. depends were you live. I could tell you 10 stories of horror for every one like you friend
Mark Cussy, 24 year old fun a lump in his testi. He waited and waited for the speacilist. Rule with TC is it is out in 24 hours. 100% Curable.
By the time we convinced him to get to the states instead of waiting, it was too late. so there is another view. 100 curable, and he was dead waiting for the specialist.
There are problem with EVERY system, no question. I have said it many times. what is coming is a problem. You will never pay zero, and you will pay for visits. It will increase as demand and cost rise. Even the Presidents Budget director said so yesterday I think. Your going to pay so the free stuff isn't even in the equation. Read the bill. you will pay .
It is not free.
A_Wanderer
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Can you please elaborate about this. I can't tell if you think the vaccine is fake, the number of H1N1 infections is fabricated, or the possibility of a pandemic a fraud.
A_Wanderer
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How many medical professionals say any cancer is 100% curable?
OP
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This, combined with your previous "the only reason for emergency back surgery is loss of bowel control" is causing my BS alarm to go into Defcon 5 mode. Testicular cancer definitely has a high rate of curability, but it is not 100%.
Exactly what kind of medically related profession are you in?
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A_Wanderer
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One would think an economy of scale could apply. Why would it cost more per capita to treat people in a larger system?
The government isn't trying to turn a profit by denying coverage to sick people. How can you reasonably say that it's harder to get the state to subsidise procedures and medications than a for-profit insurance company?
Could it relate to having a system beholden to corporate interests? Perhaps a radical overhaul could produce a better system.
Adding another layer of bureaucracy wouldn't solve anything. But streamlining a system which guarantees universal healthcare in some form seems better.
I don't understand how this links into having a public system. Is this meant to be an argument for or against private hospitals?
You repeat that there are costs to healthcare in socialised systems but present this. I don't think this is a free-market solution. If individuals are only paying $5 per visit the costs must be made up elsewhere, and you haven't demonstrated how this example is an easy solution to primary care issues.
Who is advocating the destruction of specialist centers?
Private hospitals can cater very well for those who can pay, but not everybody can. A system which offers reasonable quality of care to everybody does more good than one which gives extraordinary care to the minority.
Which posters have proposed the elimination of specialists?
I don't know anything about the American system. But if there are problems which can't be avoided with the current setup isn't serious change worthwhile? (and I'm not making a judgement of the Obama reforms).
Is it about socialism?
I have relatives who haven't died in public healthcare, and I doubt they would have done as well in the US given their financial state.
You haven't offered any solutions to that issue.
McDonalds produces fast burgers because it makes money. Should profit be the driving force of medicine?
More anecdotes please - they're nearly as good as evidence.
Why not?
BVS
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To the Club of Rome?
BVS
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Another flat out lie!
First of all, 24 hours? 100% curable? Complete BULLSHIT!
Secondly, just last week you were saying you lived in Florida, now you're living in Canada?
BoMac
Self-righteous bullshitter
While I agree with Diemen about my BS alarm going off the charts, I have to ask: Where do you live? In the United States or in Canada?
Also, if I ever meet someone like you who claims to be in the medical field and discover that he/she is unable to put together a comprehensible sentence with proper grammar and spelling, then I'd probably look for someone else to treat me.
The numbers were combined with seasonal flu by the CDC. As i am sure you know, many people die by seasonal flu alone. Elderly, or people with supressed immune system.
Average 400K- 600 K per year in the states. Seasonal flu killed a zillion times more than H1N1 , and even then, it could have been season flu.
I am trying to find the orignal CDC site where they reported people with N1H1 , as even at the bottom of the page it would say " These numbers are combined totals of N1H1 cases and deaths with seasonal flu . Yes, some people died, but the total number was approx , in there own words 8,000-18.000 That doesnt even come close to seasonal flu. . It is reasonable that 8-18 K people in the USA have some respitory problems , which means that seasonal flu could kill them as much as anything. The confirmed Number, was around 6,000, and now on the site, they blame the low numbers to " undereporting, which is total bogus. " we at first were on high alert, , and we swabbed and tested ANYONE who came in with flu like symptons. We were required to report them.
I will find the orginal page if it is still up ( we watched it every day ) . I have a copy in an e-mail somewhere.
*80 million did not have H1N1 . it was between 8-16 thousand.
I know 10 people in my hospital ( we have a staff of over 4,000) who took the shot. When we refused, they threatend us with suspension. we said "good" we will go to the beach. hey backed off quickly
These numbers are bogus.
Updated Estimates from April 2009 – March 13, 2010
Using the same methodology CDC has again updated the estimates to include the time period from April 2009 through March 13, 2010 on April 19, 2010.
- CDC estimates that between 43 million and 88 million cases of 2009 H1N1 occurred between April 2009 and March 13, 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 60 million people infected with 2009 H1N1. BS !!!
- CDC estimates that between about 192,000 and 398,000 H1N1-related hospitalizations occurred between April 2009 and March 13, 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 270,000 2009 H1N1-related hospitalizations.
- CDC estimates that between about 8,720 and 18,050 2009 H1N1-related deaths occurred between April 2009 and March 13, 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 12,270 2009 H1N1-related deaths.
Using the same methodology CDC again updated the estimates to include the time period from April 2009 through April 10, 2010 on May 14, 2010. Although sporadic cases of influenza are expected to occur during the summer months, no additional updated estimates using this method are planned since influenza activity is now at a low level in the United States and few hospitalizations and deaths are expected over the summer.
- CDC estimates that between about 195,000 and 403,000 H1N1-related hospitalizations occurred between April 2009 and April 10, 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 274,000 2009 H1N1-related hospitalizations.
- CDC estimates that between about 8,870 and 18,300 2009 H1N1-related deaths occurred between April 2009 and April 10, 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 12,470 2009 H1N1-related deaths. Still BS but more a little more realistic.
At those numbers, everyone here would have known someone who died.
I will check my e-mail, for the site when I sent it to someone back then, and the flat out said, in writing, they were combining seasonal and H1N1 , in cases, hospitalizations and deaths.
- Note: Less than 5% of increases in the estimates from one reporting date to the next are the result of delayed reporting in cases, hospitalizations and deaths.
Tc 35 years ago was just about 100% death sentence . Today , it is 100% curable if caught before stage 3-4 , and many of those survive. In MOST cases. Nothing is 100 %,, but the Drs will tell you that and you will if the treament protocol is followed, meaning checking yourself, and seeking an ultrasound , and if a mass is detected, it is assumed to be TC , and the protocol is to remove the testi within 24 hours. If there is no Vascular Invasion, the next course if often surveilance for 2 years consisting of marker tests, quarterly ct's scans it;s path is Testi, Lymph Retropenial lymph nodes, lungs, brain.
It is usually a combination germ cell and non germ cell. Chorio carcinoma is the most agressive, and it is extremely agressive ( It is what Lance Armstrong had ) who had a "buddy the size of a grapefut which he ignored until he was coughing up blood
Embryonal carcinoma is next, and is also very aggressive. Non Seminoma is much slower. TC is sually some combination of these different type
CC, EC and seminoma is treat with Chemo if it has progressed. The outcome, provided someone didnt hide it for a year is 100% cure rate.
Seminoma is slower in growth and reated with radiation, most of the time. Teratoma is another type, which sn'y actually ccancer, but can turn into it. It is surgically removed.
3 types of cancer , for the most part, respond to chemotherapy as a complete cure . There are exceptions, but not many .
TC, Childhood Lukemia , and Hodgekins diesease.
Dr Larry Einhorn, discovered a combination of chemo's bleomycin, etoposide, and cisplatin. Cisplatin was the magic ingredient, and was discovered to work by Dr Einhorn . Nobody know why this works, but this combination is one of the most studied things in medicine. If Dr Einhorn knew why it worked, he would have won the Nobel prize. Almost all chemo regimes, come from the addition of cisplatin
Lances was in his brain. He ignored it for a long time. His chance of survival was approx 20 % .
All kinds of work is going on for cancers, and they get further every year , but there is a long way to go. Gleevec for instance, is a genetic "switch" that can turn on and off a gene by pill, and many people with CML , and GIST have been saved by this. Cancer will never be "cured" except in those 3 mentioned about, for everyone, but more and more cancers are responding to the drugs that came from Dr Einhorns work. His and many others.
Everyone outside of those 3 types, reacts differently. Many women beat breast cancer or people with colon cancer. Getting there with lung cancer, and others.
But yes, early treatment for TC is approx 99-100 %
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