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Old 03-20-2010, 01:43 PM   #301
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Well that's a hoot considering the "many other countries" that provide health care do so out of the "charity" of United States citizens which pay for the security of the free world.
And you're welcome by the way.
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Yes, we should all contribute equally; we all have the exact same threat levels against us.

Because we Canadians have a history of meddling in other people's business, overthrowing LEGITIMATE AND ELECTED leaders overseas in coup after coup, supporting oppressive dictatorships out of our own interests, invading countries pre-emptively on false premises, and on and on. What a joke.
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And because universal health care "works" for a country of 35,000,000 does not mean it will function as smoothly in a country of 300,000,000.

Finally, if health care is a right then surely food and shelter are a right. So I take it Canada has no homeless shelters, missions, food banks, clothing drives, soup kitchens or other such degrading "hoops" as we here in the States cruelly subject our needy to?
Rationalize all you want, but what I said is true.
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It's the Administration that's referred to the "up or down" vote ad nauseam. And now even that's in question, so it's on to the next gimmick for this stinker.

So don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, deep
FOXNews.com - House Opts Against 'Deeming' Health Care Bill Passed


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Looks like the big vote may be Sunday.

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This deal is done. Deem and pass will not be needed.
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So do you feel better about the process?
that politicians will step up and and vote the 'up or down' way.
and perhaps even pay a consequence in November?
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Lovely.

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A staffer for Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told reporters that Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-M.D.) had been spit on by a protestor. Rep. John Lewis (D-G.A.), a hero of the civil rights movement, was called a 'ni--er.' And Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) was called a "faggot," as protestors shouted at him with deliberately lisp-y screams. Frank, approached in the halls after the president's speech, shrugged off the incident.

But Clyburn was downright incredulous, saying he had not witnessed such treatment since he was leading civil rights protests in South Carolina in the 1960s.

"It was absolutely shocking to me," Clyburn told the Huffington Post. "Last Monday, this past Monday, I stayed home to meet on the campus of Claflin University where fifty years ago as of last Monday... I led the first demonstrations in South Carolina, the sit ins... And quite frankly I heard some things today I have not heard since that day. I heard people saying things that I have not heard since March 15, 1960 when I was marching to try and get off the back of the bus."
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not a done deal at all

if wishes were horses ......

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Saturday, March 20, 2010



They Still Don’t Have the Votes [Jeffrey H. Anderson]


The most likely explanation for the breakdown of talks between Rep. Bart Stupak and Speaker Nancy Pelosi is not that Pelosi decided she didn’t need Stupak and his crew in order to have enough votes to pass Obamacare. Rather, it is that Stupak — who is increasingly emerging as this drama’s Jefferson Smith (Jimmy Stewart’s heroic character in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington) — held firm in insisting on language that would truly prevent taxpayer-funded abortions, and in insisting that such language be passed by the Senate before the bill could become law.

In turn, Pelosi either decided that by accepting the language, she would lose more votes in the House than she would gain, or else knew that Democratic senators, with their strong preference for taxpayer-funded abortion, would never go along with this concession to the views of the vast majority of Americans.

In any event, by all accounts, Pelosi is now trying to pass the bill without the pro-life Democratic vote — or at least without Stupak. As of now, it doesn’t appear that she has the votes. I currently count

208 leaning in favor of Obamacare and 214 leaning against, with 9 undecided.

Here they are — with the margin by which the presidential vote was won (by one party or the other) in their districts over the last three elections:

• Marion Berry (D., Ark.) (GOP +8) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Henry Cuellar (D., Tex.) (Dem +1) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Bill Foster (D., Ill.) (GOP +4)

• Jim Matheson (D., Utah) (GOP +30) — with nearly two-thirds of his constituents having supported GOP presidential candidates over the last three elections, a “yes” vote on Stupak, and an earlier “no” vote on Obamacare, a “yes” vote would mean that, for the rest of his days, he would be remembered as the guy who sold his vote for the price of Obama’s having just nominated his brother to a federal judgeship

• Michael Michaud (D., Me.) (Dem +7) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Solomon Ortiz (D., Tex.) (GOP +1) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Earl Pomeroy (D., N.D.) (GOP +21) — pro-Stupak Amendment — yes, that’s GOP +21

• Nick Rahall (D., W.V.) (GOP +6) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Zach Space (D., Ohio) (GOP +12) — pro-Stupak Amendment

Also, here is a partial list of some particularly key members who are leaning “no”:

• Christopher Carney (D., Pa.) (GOP +15) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Dan Lipinski (D., Ill.) (Dem +22) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Kathleen Dahlkemper (D., Pa.) (GOP +3) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Glenn Nye (D., Va.) (GOP +9) — “no” last time


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What the hell??
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I don't know how much padding is going on - some to be sure, I'm just saying that the conventional wisdom is closer to this:

Betsy Markey Becomes Third Confirmed No-Yes Vote; Childers a No | FDL News Desk
your site now shows it losing

217- no to 205- yes - with only 9 votes undecided or not leaning
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Politico says Stupak now on board,
Whitehouse will issue Executive Order - no fed funds for abortion.
Stupak votes 95% with Dems, it would have been really odd having him vote against Health Care.

If this is true, it could push it close to 220 votes?
Wow, a landside for President Obama.



Bill Clinton chimed in last night, too.

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BREAKING: In a statement referring confidently to the bill’s passage, White House Communications Director Dan Peiffer announced today that President Obama “will be issuing an executive order after the passage of the health insurance reform law that will reaffirm its consistency with longstanding restrictions on the use of federal funds for abortion.”

In a press conference moments after the executive order was released, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) announced “an agreement with the speaker to protect the sanctity of life in the health care reform,” and that he and other anti-abortion Democrats would support the health care bill, giving party leaders the votes they need to pass it.
That should do it.

I do have C-Span on, this is really huge.

This is one of those dates and days that will have a significant place in American History.
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It's a little bittersweet, because this bill will do good things, and it will save lives, but at the same time, it doesn't do enough. I, among many millions of others, wanted, at the very least, a public option and, from what I understand, that's just not part of this bill.

May this bill be just the start of a bigger era of healthcare reform.
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at least with this bill, congress has finally showed they are capable of passing something.
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It's a little bittersweet, because this bill will do good things, and it will save lives, but at the same time, it doesn't do enough. I, among many millions of others, wanted, at the very least, a public option and, from what I understand, that's just not part of this bill.

May this bill be just the start of a bigger era of healthcare reform.
It's a step in the right direction which is huge. Hopefully we will see a public option in my lifetime.
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